Keep seeing this picture but no control group. Give me the same data for a French city other than Paris to understand whether this is about local policy change or about emissions standards and the move to electric cars.
How much of this was dieselgate and DEF fluid? Googling say DEF was implemented in 2015 in Europe.
Woah, woah, keep it down lads. There’s Americans around who can’t handle this kind of information!
I’m an American who wants European style cities and public transport because it’s actually better for drivers, too.
Germany has zero speed limit on some highways because of this.
There’s no legend. This is a worthless image
Also no control group to determine whether this was due to bike lanes like the post title claims
Legend? This is an image of Paris transforming from an active volcano into a radioactive site.
All the bikes run on uranium.
I posted this somewhere in the comments already, but copy pasting it to be helpful:.
Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the ‘y-axis’:
Although it is good that they added riding bicycle lanes I doubt that is the only reason for the lowering of pollution.
Not only do we have electric and hybrid cars, due to euro standard combustion engines have become a lot cleaner during the same span of time. Plus public transport has also become a lot better during that time.
Yeah, car restriction is the key. Then you must plan for people who needs to move. Cars don’t belong to the city, only for leisure trips outside.
Yeah but then you can’t feed the bycicle narrative because of course everybody starting their bikes to.commute those distances!
Well it does have a major impact, less cars -> less congestion -> less polution. But it has to work in tandem with other changes such as lowering driving speed increasing public transport network with emphasis on network, mandating tighter control on polution. You could say that the bicycle lanes are an indication of a change in attitude towards car only transportation.
I dont trust anything that’s about an EU city and has* miles as units
Gas miles as units?
Probably autocorrect from “has”
could have seen that, think i didn’t because it the graph is about cars and pollution. I get op’s anti-us sentiment, but funny thing is that a lot of data in newspapers with graphs in km is still (at least partially) based on data and research from us but well
Just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it’ll fix everything bro. Bro, just one more lane. Please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please! Just need one more lane
Fact: 99% of city planners quit one lane before they fix traffic
Average lane-brainer argument
Are you a bot posting this on every thread? Or are you just here to feel outraged? Because this is a post about doing the opposite.
I get you, some comments are more natural when the story is a disappointing one
I’m genuinely curious how you could have read that and thought they was serious
funny how he keeps posting something that people inherently KEEP FUCKING DOING with zero fucking positive results… almost as if they’re lampooning the entire shit state…
say, maybe it’s not literal? huh
Sarcasm
Thanks for posting source, OP!
They installed efficiency modules to reduce biter expansion?
It’s good that you included the source because without a scale this meant fuck all.
Thank you. I was about to ask for the same thing.
“It turns out not burning a bunch of fossil fuels leads to less pollution”… news at 11.
The really dumb part of all of this is that people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation for so long that it’s hard to even envision a world without them. They’re normal, despite being expensive, dangerous, horribly inefficient, killing people actively (crashes) and passively (air pollution, plastic in our lungs, parkinsons/dementia, obesity, and more), and directly contributing to isolation in our communities. Every car we can get off the road, especially in our cities, makes the world a better place.
people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation
That wasn’t an accident and it didn’t just ‘happen;’ it was the very deliberate result of a combination of automobile and oil industry propaganda and US government policy back in the 1930s-1950s, motivated by several factors ranging from utopian modernist city planning to good ol’fashioned racism.
Some random sources to get folks started:
there’s also the argument that pushing to distribute population centers away from cities forced the soviet union to manufacture larger and more numerous atomic weapons to maintain parity with US capabilities.
not in the “hey we want to save as many people” way it’s portrayed, more like, let’s make it harder for the sov’s to equal the potential megadeaths we intended to dish out
…And we’re totally not moving to suburbs because we’re racist.
Its an interesting angle because that is what we did exactly with smartphones and social media too. We adopted them so voluntarily as if they were the best things happened in this century.
But looks like in todays world we could have been a much better society without them ever existing
For all the doomscrolling we do on smartphones, I’m still of the mindset that there are many ways their existence has made people’s lives better. For instance, I likely never would have become so transit-brained if not for smartphones. I practically have nightmares of trying to navigate train maps/schedules through nothing but paper and a loose idea of where my destination was.
I’ll definitely have to check out the underpinnings and use of that term. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
After I’ve moved I could technically do everything using public transport and bikes
The issue is that public transport is literally more expensive than a private car for me in the Netherlands (as I get a company car)
Perhaps ask the company to reimburse you for the transit costs rather than providing the car? I’m sure they would love to save the money, and let you continue to save the money the car was saving you.
Even with a privately owned car, driving somewhere is often still cheaper than public transport here. Including when factoring in maintenance. The only thing that might offset it when driving alone is parking costs.
Every time my wife and me want to visit a city I look at train tickets as it would be convenient to just get off the station in the city centre, only for me to realise that I’m way better off just driving there, and then use buses/metro to get around the city itself.
It’s probably not cheaper if you consider the externalized costs. Sure, you don’t personally pay up front for all the pollution, traffic, and poor use of space, but everyone does.
I have an OV pass to use public transport for work but I get to use my car privately for free (outside of extra taxes) and not the OV pass
That just sounds like a policy revision away from being fixed. Have you asked?
I was planning on checking after I moved but nit high hopes, org is pretty rigid
Yeah, “you get to keep the car, I get unlimited travel pass, deal?” People often seem to think policies are iron clad, but they’re just decisions.
Might be hard because the car is a significant upfront investment. The sunk cost is another big reason people defend their cars.
I’ve got a flex lease which I can end at any time so sunk cost should not be an issue here 😄
The crazy thing as well is that especially after COVID people will use the isolation of cars as a positive. You have people who don’t like transit cause they would have to be near other people. Which just shows how crazy isolated and disconnected from our communities we are in the US atleast.
France isn’t perfect or without its own problems (or fucking right-wingers), but damn overall they’re really crushing it lately.
(I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to France…)
That’s happening in Paris. Some other cities are moving in right direction too, some installing new trams from zero etc. Most bigger cities have subways. But you should try visiting rural France without a car… Not a butcher or a bakery left for many kilometers/villages around, only big roadside Malls with an enormous supermarket and some fake little “shops” at the entrance. Many rural villages are dead and without a car you’re screwed big time. This is where the Gilet Jaunes came from.
It depends : are you white ?
Do you like pain?
is that bread or masochism?
Yes
Oui.
Does that actually make it easy, or just less hard?
(Je l’envisage sérieusement, d’ailleurs.)
Makes it harder
Our president just said democracy? Never heard of her and named prime minister a member of the party with the least elected parliementaries but OK.
This graph is HIGHLY misleading as it doesn’t include the time in 2019 when Notre Dame’s pollution was much higher for a brief period of time.
I was confused for a moment.
Click to see the reason why Notre Dame had much higher pollution for brief period of time in 2019.
Why not just link the wiki without all the extra fluff?
I wanted to give people a chance at remembering the reference before seeing the answer. The URL gives the answer.
They were just explaining what the link goes to.
Kinda weird to
hide a link with context
in a spoiler
(if you ask me)
And it is going to get even better: https://www.dw.com/en/france-paris-to-increase-car-free-zones-after-referendum/a-72019387
That sounds nice but oof 4% turnout.
Yeah that is very low, but i don’t know what is normal in those elections.
