Yah they do every time, even when they win. Every side chooses billionaires and Americans alternate being fed up with one side so they vote for the other. Rinse repeat, the rich always win
I’ve been saying it for the past two US election cycles … the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
Thanks for that … now I have credible references to attribute this thought.
I knew it wasn’t smart enough to think this, it’s just haven’t read enough to know or see where others have said it before.
Don’t be so down on yourself, you can get to the same conclusion independently
But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking
I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky … but the guy has so much content, you’d have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.
It’s all just a form of “divide and conquer.” Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they’ll help but they don’t. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to “roll over and play dead.” I translate that as, “the party doesn’t care.” Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.
The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.
I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.
Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.
“I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person.” “I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections”
Yeah let’s unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.
Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.
It’s not entirely false, but it’s also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action – but given the size of the voting window, it’s probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)
Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?
I love how a bunch of people who couldn’t point to Gaza in a map are making that their sole political concern.
The gaza otcomes broadly indicative of how the party functions.
Beyond that, do you even realize that the gaza issue has almost single handedly destroyed the concept of the western world order?
Both parties have had the same policy on Gaza for decades, so I don’t see the relevance. It was just easier to ignore a slow genocide than a fast one.
Well if we are going to get a better outcome we’ll have to demand it. They dont just need donor money to win, they need votes.
The other is not doing any of those things.
stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others
Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you’d think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.
- stopping aid to the world: Biden stopped funding UNRWA in Jan 2024 after Israel accused the UN of being a Hamas organization and cited 12 names. They never provided any proof. Trump did go on to cut USAID funding. UNRWA operated in Jordan, Syria, Labanon, west jerusalem, gaza and the west bank.
Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8
- wanting to make GAZA into a resort: Gaza was leveled under Bidens watch, and redevelopment plans were also underway on his watch. Trumps clownery was just a continuation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815
“Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront” from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.
They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.
- deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others “No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts” from Dec 14, 2023.
"Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "
In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!
- Julius Nyerere, first Prime Minister / President of Tanzania
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I’ve seen it many times)
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
It’s because money wins races. Removing the $5k top donation killed America.
Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
That didn’t help but that $5k applied to AT&T just as much as it did John Doe
not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Look I ain’t voting for the Republicans either but I ain’t gonna pretend the DNC is on my side. That said, my vote is absolutely irrelevant. I live in a blue bastion state and our backwards election systems guarantee my vote is worthless. The whole game is set up to fuck over the working class and promote the interests of the wealthy.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they’re the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it’s more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn’t vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn’t vote is actually closer to 40%.
There’s more than two parties the US
Honey, you and I both know that FPTP makes that totally irrelevant
There are only two viable parties.
I’m so sick of winning.
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
Weren’t they the ones touting their ‘largest warchest ever’ sometime around Harris taking up the mantle last year?
They were. Where’s that money now?
The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.
This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.
She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.
This in particular pissed me off. Soon as the news broke, here’s me:
“Are you fucking kidding me?! You make the rich celebrities pay YOU, not the other way around. If they have to be paid to endorse you, then they aren’t fucking endorsing you. They’re making their down payment on bribery!”
Gotta love how they got rich by losing, and the American people are poorer than ever with Trump’s victory…
In the pockets of consultants
Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.
Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.
as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it’s the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I’m kind of stuck here.
I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.
Not at all, I’m saying the alternatives to not dismantling FPTP to enable new parties are worse. As in, we have got to get rid of it and elect an actual populist on the left, or the Dems and Repugs will bring about the end of the American empire through unbridled greed.
I’d bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”
Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.
They even tried going after minorities, it was fucking appalling.
What does this comment mean?
Trying to say giving any attention to these issues is why they lost, despite the fact that these were barely topics bought up by Kamala or Biden or any political figure.
tl;dr: Transcapegoating.
Based on what we know now, Harris would have been a bad president. She lost and didn’t ask for a recount when she should have and then disappeared. AOC and Bernie on the other hand have taken a stand against fascism. I’m with them not the d’s.
Based on what we know now I’m not in the know. What do we know now?
You gotta put two spaces after the first line to make it appear outside the quote
Harris just disappeared, has zero interest in actually being a leader, has zero interest in spearheading a democratic movement, is doing jack shit to help make this transition easier through good will projects, she literally doing nothing, yet I’ve started getting please gib money texts with her name on them again… maybe if she hadn’t pulled a vanishing act we could at least talk but like, wtf is she even doing that she needs my money? I don’t even live in her state.
War criminals would be wise to disappear before the plebs rise up
the downvotes here is very interesting, its a larger than typical amt than i see normally.
i dont think this is coming from an anti revolutionary place, i think it might be because you ‘called’ democrats war crims, maybe its the “pleb” word that some are taking as anti worker…
idk maybe im just wrong and think lemmy is more revolutionary than it actually is.
lemmy.world hates when you call out their favorite war criminal.
Your downvotes indicate to me that there’s probably one user who doesn’t understand what Downvote buttons are for and has several sock puppet accounts
This getting downvoted is a fucking shame.
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Last I read she was “mulling over” the idea of running for governor of California next year.
I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.
And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.
She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.
The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.
Was it really an imaginary rule? I think it was Original Sin that talked about how Biden made his support for Harris contingent on “protecting his legacy” - ie, no criticizing Biden, no claiming she would do things different than Biden.
Edit: the claim comes from “FIGHT: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House”:
But the day of the debate Biden called to give Harris an unusual kind of pep talk — and another reminder about the loyalty he demanded. No longer able to defend his own record, he expected Harris to protect his legacy.
Whether she won or lost the election, he thought, she would only harm him by publicly distancing herself from him — especially during a debate that would be watched by millions of Americans. To the extent that she wanted to forge her own path, Biden had no interest in giving her room to do so. He needed just three words to convey how much all of that mattered to him.
“No daylight, kid,” Biden said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/
And when Kamala had the entire DNC establishment behind her, what was stopping her from distancing herself from Biden? What was she afraid of?
Even if Biden came out to publically criticize Kamala, that would have mixed results at best. A large chunk of Kamala’s base was still thinking about how Biden’s brain malfunctioned at the debate, another chunk was calling him Genocide Joe.
She chose to stick with Biden’s legacy instead of developing her own policy platform for the American people, and it directly gave us President Trump.
Honestly, I think it’s partially that she’s never really believed in anything. She was a tough on crime DA until the George Floyd protests, and then she dropped that. She was a Medicare for All supporter until it looked like that would cost her with the donors, so she dropped that. She opposed Trump’s harsh immigration policy but was fine with Biden’s harsh immigration policy. She’s got no strong, principled stances, so when Biden tells her not to break with him, and her advisors tell her to campaign with Liz Cheney and Mark Cuban, she just does it.
And when Kamala had the entire DNC establishment behind her, what was stopping her from distancing herself from Biden? What was she afraid of?
My guess? The entire DNC establishment wasn’t behind Harris. They were behind Biden, and supported Harris as Biden’s successor rather than on her own (nonexistent) merits. She hadn’t earned their support, and knew it.
I think it was an agreement she was told she had to make in order for the nod.
that and her husband and idiotic brother-in-law campaign manager were ardent zionists first and foremost. She was never going to break from Biden on that.
She ran on Bidens policies because she is exactly like him. Middle of the road, pro establishment, corporate suck up, and always has been.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
Well said, I had the exact same thought experience, and I am at the exact same conclusion.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
The ire I hold for the DNC is difficult to understate. They outright lied to us about Biden’s health and ability to lead, despite the populous being blatantly aware of it, and spent 4 years pissing away their time to protect us from fascist uprising. It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests. This is but two points in what I’m sure would be a massive litany of complaints if i were to be exhaustive. They are utterly worthless to the working class American and yet we are stuck with these bloodsuckers.
I’m fully convinced they slow rolled the Trump prosecution so that they could use him to fundraise. I’m half convinced they slow rolled it because they were going to just let it slide if it was clear Trump was going to stay out of politics, because the ghoul club looks out for each other behind the scenes.
And yeah, there’s an actual laundry list of places where they fucked up hard on this last election. A non-exhaustive list includes:
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Lying about Biden’s condition/ not pushing him to step aside because the establishment democrats considers seniority to be the holiest of all political attributes. It’s why they were SO pissed that Obama cut Hillary off and they went on about “it’s her turn!” in '16. Tbh, it’s probably just as much a part of why they shut Sanders out in '16 as him being progressive. Anyway, this meant that we had basically a sham primary. Yes, it was a real primary, but we all know the incumbent always wins the primary, and they lied over and over about his condition until that shit was over with. So, no, I don’t think you can really say it was a fair election, because voters were deliberately deceived by their own party.
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Colluding to get Biden put in. I know someone’s going to come and tell me that the '20 primary was 100% legit and totally not sketchy at all, but I’ll never forget Biden showing up to those debates looking like a freshly reanimated corpse and, all of the sudden, he wins South Carolina (which I do consider legitimate) and all the other candidates start dropping out and giving their delegates to him (which I consider illegitimate because it really smelled coordinated and allowing candidates to pledge their delegates forward is sketchy AF). To me, this is the original sin here. Biden wasn’t a god awful president, but they knew he wasn’t the best candidate they could possibly run, they knew his history, and I will never ever be convinced that they picked Kamala because she was the right person for the job. They picked Kamala because she landed some absolute body shots on Biden about racism in the primary debates, and they needed to clean that radioactive spill up. I think they felt that the most expedient means of doing so was for Joe to get Kamala. I don’t think for two seconds that Kamala was Joe’s choice. This wouldn’t have been all bad if they’d committed to working on polishing Kamala up and getting her out there in the public eye and grooming her as a viable independent candidate a la Gore, but they didn’t. They kinda just shoved her into the broom closet after Biden won and only dug her out after he blew his legs own off on the debate stage. So, that stupid fucking maneuver to shut Sanders out in '20 gave us a president that not many people were excited about; a VP that neither the president, nor the DNC, nor the people liked who would go on to be his natural successor on the campaign trail; all while ensuring that said VP had no distinct political image, and even, due to the righteous trait of seniority, forcing Kamala to assure voters that she absolutely adored Biden’s unpopular policies.
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The DNC didn’t even trust their own candidates. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Kamala is God awful; I wouldn’t have picked her, but she had enough good qualities to work with to stand on her own if they’d trusted her. This is especially true with Walz on her team; they had some real potential if the DNC had got the fuck out of the way and stopped focus grouping them to death. Instead, they picked Kamala and played up what little leftist cred she had and then foisted HRC’s campaign staff on her, made her talk about limited means-tested small business aid, and got celebrities to make guest appearances. They got Walz for his incredible shit talking abilities, then muzzled him. They saw the campaign starting to make its own identity separate from Biden and screamed “NO, YOU’LL DISHONOR OUR SPECIAL BOY. HE WON’T KNOW, BUT WE WILL!” They saw the populist moment, the people crying out for change, and went “hey, shut up, offer them means tested tax assistance. Here’s Obama lecturing down to our base, that always goes over well”.
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They abandoned their strategy of talking about what a dangerous fascist Trump was after that kid in Pennsylvania nearly started a GoFundMe for Trump’s family. Trump didn’t stop being a dangerous fascist, but the appearance of decency was more important than speaking the truth. If Trump didn’t want to get his goddamn brains blown out, maybe don’t go having fascist rallies in open fields. But it gave the perception that they didn’t really believe that he was a dangerous fascist, that they were just saying it until they realized it was dangerous to say it. This was a huge mistake, imo.
I agree, and so does Pelosi
The Dems are a fundraising organization, nothing more, and they love using Trump to do it.
I wonder if she ever went on to have a moment of self reflection there. I doubt it, but I do wonder.
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Bravo! Thank you for saying this, and so well.
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Not to mention their perpetual blackballing of anyone actually progressive in the party. The neoliberal arm of the DNC has done nearly as much damage to this country as the Republicans have.
For sure. I really do wish someday we will have a serious progressive movement in this country in my lifetime. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT THOUGH!
It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests.
When you get paid to do what you’re told to do, that’s your job.
They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they were paid to delay Trump. They weren’t paid to bring reforms, they were paid so “nothing will fundementally change”. They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they’re being paid right now to vote yes on Trump’s wishes.
To be honest I’m not even sure DNC has authority over Biden. If Biden says, '“fuck you I’m staying” the DNC has no authority to say otherwise. Within the context of Biden who if one knows his history of politics, being shunned again might force him to double-down more.
I despise the DNC ever since Hillary but I’m fairly sure many of them knew Biden would fuck us but had no power to say otherwise. Maybe I’m wrong?
Proper headline:
“Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”
If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.
can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
Yes.
One option has opportunity, the other is… This horseshit.
Yes, I will absolutely blame any accelerationist, every time.
Edit: If you think more people getting more hurt is OK because it might result in a more left future later, just fucking block me now please. And also gfy.
I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the “fast death by Trump” is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I’d much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren’t actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.
Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.
I have an irrational fear of heights. That said, I’d rather go skydiving than a lot of other things involving heights because if it goes poorly, I’ll likely have instant death. Your framing of the issue gives me odd comfort. Thanks.
The thing is that Trump isn’t a fast death. It’s not like in 3 more years we’ll all just be gone pain free. Most of us will have to keep going in whatever hellscape these Nazis bring upon us, which as shitty as the DNC and most Democrats are, that hellscape would probably be more tolerable.
It’s more like skydiving into a hot desert without resources with Democrats, and skydiving into a desert full of racist cacti without resources with Republicans. You’ll likely survive the landing, but you have to earn everything yourself to survive and in one situation, racist cacti are inflicting pain, especially if you’re not white.
Yep! You know the vast majority of people with this mindset are so privileged they think “it won’t be that bad for me” but many of us, women, POC, our lgbtq community all understand that we actually have very very much to lose because we don’t take what we have for granted the way privileged (white men) people do.
The poison is not medicine and a lot of people are going to genuinely suffer, their is no “fast death” coming for anyone
i wish bernie won in 2016 :(
I know Gore won in 2000, we just gloss over the theft and the nazis scream about rigged elections because every accusation is a confession.
I’m 99% certain Musk helped Trump rig this election. I think the only reason the Dems didn’t fight it was because they had spent the last 4 years telling everyone how solid our election system was and near impossible to rig.
But we needed to give the ghoul Hillary a chance, it was her turn.
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He is 100% right like always
Democrats got paid to lose plain and simple
They make more in donations when they’re the minority party who shouts about things they’ll never ever fucking do and decry horrors they’ll quietly continue when it’s their turn.
Totally going to codify Roe, legalize weed, and give you healthcare access on day 1 - just need 69 more donations of $25 by midnight tonight!
If I got a dollar for every time I got a donation message about how this time they’ll follow up on promises from a decade ago, I’d probably have enough to lobby for it to happen.
No matter how many times i respond “Stop” they always try again sooner or later. It’s completely ineffective now though, all I’m reminded of when i receive any of those messages is that they are lying to get money. Plain and simple.
“A lot of the people are saying it was Joe Biden’s fault that Kamala Harris lost the election … not true. It was the fault of Kamala Harris and her consultants,”
He also said “I ran all over the country to try to elect her” so it’s a pretty longshot from these comments claiming both sides bad. If all of you, everyone eligible to vote in 2024, had listened to Bernie Sanders then Kamala Harris would be president and none of this would have happened.
She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors
Lol Americans didn’t stay home for gaza, most Americans didn’t give a shit about that.
It was always about the cost of living. The average Democratic voter mindset is: “I voted Biden last time and nothing changed except food got more expensive, why bother voting”
You’re right that most American’s didn’t give a shit, but even those who did knew that the genocide was not on the ballot.
Or rather, “no genocide plz” wasn’t on the ballot. Not on a viable choice, FPTP voting, etc, etc. The choices were “same old stuff” and “foot on the gas, bomb it into pink and gray dust and build a chintzy resort.”
It’s mostly that second part.
Even when democrats say they support change for the middle class, they feel like nothing meaningful gets passed because democrats don’t actually represent them. Gaza is a part of this: those who see the obvious genocide happening are incredulous that their party won’t do anything about it.
People have lost faith in liberalism, and I think its for good reason.
Exactly. And the Democrats made it even worse for themselves by claiming there was no economic crisis - that Biden had beaten inflation, beaten unemployment, and claims of a bad economy were just Republican propaganda. The American people looked at their paychecks and grocery bills and called bullshit. Harris was right that Trump would govern as a fascist dictator with Project 2025 as the roadmap - but the Democrats lied to America’s face about the economy and that made everything else they said sound untrustworthy too.
If the Dems had taken America’s economic struggles seriously, Harris would be President now. But Biden refused to admit his economy was bad and Harris didn’t have the guts to contradict Biden. And here we are.
There was a whole Muslims for Trump contingent in many swing states specifically because of the genocide.
Trump still got third place among Muslim voters, but the genocide made Jill Stein almost beat Harris in that community.
I don’t get this one. They were both pro genocide, so how was Trump’s version any better?
Trump’s campaign was willing to blatantly lie and claim he would end the war on day 1. Some idiots took him at his word.
Yes, and the rise in the cost of living was because of the housing crisis. The Democratic party didn’t contribute to Inflation. People buying epic amounts of real estate caused the inflation. Ironically, it was Silicon Valley and Musk followers who were grabbing up most of the real estate after the pandemic. That land is being appropriated for their “freedom cities,” or company towns, where their soulless employees can live. I think they plan to stash their loyal followers in these cities while this country devolves into civil war and chaos. Yes, they really do want to trigger a civil war or race war. They will house only those stupid enough to work for them in “smart” cities, where technology and AI keeps everyone under tight watch. Just heard on MSNBC that the data Musk and his hackers stole from their DOGE raid is being used to assemble a database on Americans for surveillance purposes. China has done this to their people. Time to go low profile, seriously.
Under Obama, during QE 1 2 3 etc., a lot of taxpayer (your and mine) money was given to banks interest free to buy up property to hold its value. Banks had nothing to lose, money was free. In other words, taxpayer money was used to reduce inventory which in turn jacked up housing prices that taxpayers could not afford. In a free market, housing should fall with affordability, instead here our money was made to work against us.
So yes, democrats did contribute a lot to cost of living.
Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
Remember the cops beating the shit out of students across the country? If she pledged to end support for Israel, instead of being “the other genocide candidate”, Trump would have been the “resume genocide” candidate, and all those politically activated students would be getting their friends to vote. Between that and their response to 2020, they showed the next generation that the democrats are a dead end for enacting social change.
Trump IS the BURN ALL PALESTINIANS AND TURN GAZA INTO YHE VEGAS OF THE MIDDLE EAST candidate. And that was somehow better. But yeah you’re right. We should capitulate the entire country and everything else because of that right. Fuck it, if we can’t have perfection let’s just burn it all down.
From the POV of someone who just wants the Genocide to stop, “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into New Vegas” and “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into vacation homes for rich Israelis” is functionally equivalent.
That was by no means the only issue I based my vote on, but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to conclude that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil
Well one of those evils is going to control you and everyone else one way or another so yes it is unreasonable to not vote for damage mitigation.
Hence why I said that wasn’t the only factor in determining my vote.
The question is though, where will it end? I’m 51 years old and ever since I have been able to vote the choices have been between a shit bag, and an even worse shit bag.
At some point we have to put pressure on the DNC to put up someone who is actually woth voting for, and if they know we will always vote for the lesser evil, what incentive do they have to change their strategy?
Harris was already a Republican in all but name and she only looked good compared to Hitler 2.0, if this trend continues the only “choice” will be between a far right fascist, and an extremely far right fascist.
It will never end. It has been this way since we walked rivers and fought with sticks and it’ll be this way until the last black holes evaporate. You’re 51 and still haven’t learned this. Are you even paying attention at this point.
Harris could have capitalized on no genocide. You cant run on "genocide, but at least we’ll pretend to oppose it:, thats not how humans work.
That’s exactly how the world works. Everyone trying to act like it’s not is simply ignoring reality.
No it’s not and you have last election to prove it. You cant motivate people to vote for you with “I’m only going to do 80% of <bad thing>”
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Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
exhibit #6569 of centrists not knowing and just not caring what their constituents care about.
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
The largest percentage of the election was that of voters that didn’t vote, and the division between republican and democratic votes was less than half a percent, if I remember correctly.
Most are just sick of the system that’s oppressing us and are conflicted on how to fix it, or just don’t know enough to have an opinion.
~64% of eligible voters did so. So technically, the majority did vote, but damn that seems like a weak turnout given the stakes at hand.
That majority of non voters is the second leading reason Trump was elected. Them not voting is only marginally better than voting for a fascist and they don’t get a pass because the system is flawed. Millions of other people got out and did it, and while I know there is interference for a lot of people, it’s not for the majority. Silence is complacency, and the vast majority of those non voters fall squarely in that category.
So the vast majority decided to vote for Trump and not vote against Trump, and that’s an unfortunate fact that American as a whole has gone all in on fascism, and it’s not even debatable if that’s what the country wanted.
Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.
Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.
Honestly, is there any election you can think of where there was an alternative on the ballot who was better than the blue though? I genuinely can’t think of a time.
Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.
Politicians can’t be blamed when they fail their job of earning and swaying voters, its the voter’s fault for not being interested in a lack of meaningful change. That’s the Democrat way.
Ah yes, because in a binary choice outcome, you decide to take the greater poison not only in terms of genocide (which yes, a genocide can always get worse), but also worsening a genocide by Russia in Ukraine, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Healthcare, and LGBTQ+ rights.
That sure makes sense… I think they call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
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I don’t have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn’t swing a landslide.
Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.
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No, I’m saying he already chose the working class and it hasn’t galvanized the working class to support him by a significant majority so I’m not sure it would have worked for Kamala. Bernie probably would have won a small majority, but done no better than corporate candidates have because the working class doesn’t seem to galvanized behind a candidate that does choose them.
When Bernie was running the entire mass media did like a 24/7 campaign blasting how he “can’t win”… It was non-stop.
The casual voter didn’t even have a chance to listen to him, he was constantly blasted with nonsense.
People heard him. He had many rallies and participated in primary debates. He also had a book out, did interviews. He had a very repetitive message which is normally good for politicians. Some of his ideas were very out of the norm for the time, some isolationist ideas-- not saying they were not valid but there was an alternative running that fed into people’s prejudices and encouraged them to be hostile and mean- fed their dopamine centers, and said the words “communist” and “socialist” a lot. Also there were a lot of Democrats who wanted to vote for a Democrat, not a “Democrat for convenience.”
I must have been an early ‘out of the cable TV news loop’ person then. Explains some things.
Yeah no, both of my parents voted Biden in the SC primary because they said he was the only candidate who could beat Trump, because thats what cable news told them. The people who voted Biden in the general, and especially the people who voted Biden in the primary will vote exactly as they are told. Its hundred million non-voters whom dont vote because the party offers them fuckall who can be won.
He is too old to run for president. Can’t we just stop with the gerontocracy?
No one is suggested Bernie run – they are suggesting the system that knecapped him be examined and anyone involved in it dethroned. at minimum. We cant keep doing this stuff.
I don’t disagree that we need younger people, but the majority of voters seem to disagree seeing as how they chose two fucks just as old as he was
Quiet down bot. Your comments are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
You do realise that you can cheat against someone even if that someone wasn’t going to win? The opponents using cheats only implies the level of confidence of said opponents, not necessarily the chance of winning for the one being cheated against. While those two are usually related, they don’t necessarily have to be.
They kneecapped him in 2016? He was the only one who could have beaten trump the first time?
