No matter which sort you use (except for new), content is recommended to you by activity. Depending on the sort (active, hot, top) it uses a slightly different mixture of votes/comments/time since post to determine the order.
The only exception is scaled, which boosts a little bit midsized communities, but still doesn’t manage to improve visibility of niche ones.
If lemmy is to truly start having active hobbyist communities instead of being 95% lefty US politics, Shitposts, and some tech stuff, it needs a sort that takes into account the user’s engagement.
For example, if I upvote / comment often in a community, there should be an option to have posts from the community be boosted in my feed, even if it’s a tiny community.
Let’s say I’m subscribed to !world@lemmy.world and !news@lemmy.world because I want to occasionally see news. However, I’m also subscribed to a couple hundred other communities, some of them who don’t manage to get more than a couple upvotes on their biggest posts. And whenever I see them I’m replying/upvoting because I’m passionate about that topic.
My feed shouldn’t be 95% c/news and c/world because those are the most upvoted and commented. I shouldn’t have to scroll down hundreds of posts to find “big” posts in small communities I interact with at any opportunity I get.
That’s why I think it would be beneficial to lemmy if the sort/algorithm took into account your engagement in a way.
It doesn’t have to be complicated, you can have a single number “engagement score” for every community calculated with a basic formula, and that number is used as a boost to the community.
I’m aware that there are some examples of successful niche communities on lemmy. But that’s mainly because either a significant chunk of the lemmy userbase is into that niche (let’s face it the lemmy community is not a representative sample of the world population, we tend to be very similar people), or because the posts on it are simplified image/video type posts which appeal to people who don’t know much about the subject.
The biggest problem with lemmy for me is the multiple “duplicate” communities.
There should be a feature to combine them at the client level. So the 3 different “privacy” communities could just be viewed as one on my lemmy client
The “duplicate” communities are housed on different websites. Websites that could very well have their own norms, rules, and culture. Lumping them together and treating them as the same thing is just kind of invasive to them, and promotes bad netiquette.
Just pick one that you like best.
Thats why i said client side view. Each servers community doesnt know i’m viewing 3 communities together on my phone and it doesnt affect them
Yeah, but you are still treating them as subsets of a singular whole.
Don’t do that. It’s actively bad for the ecosystem, and will trend things toward mega-community mono-spaces where people just snipe at each other for karma.
A few apps have multi-community support where you can group whatever you want, how you want, in one stream. I’m using Summit, but I feel a few other of the bigger apps support it now. I group the AskLemmys, tv/movie communities and different art communities into groups so I can view by category.
Nah. The different character of the communities and their history makes them unique and special, hiding that for broad appeal is unnecessary.
No need to muddy the waters with weird client-side obfuscations, one big one almost always wins and the other gets reposts, while subscribing to both is trivial if one wishes
The balkanization is a massive problem though because instead of one, active, community we have 3 or 4 dead ones. There needs to be a critical mass of users before communities can afford to start splintering, and that just isn’t here.
Piefed solves this with topics kind of neatly. You keep the unique communities but they are all in one place
How are comments handled? Are they combined as well, or are they still fractured?
Multicommunities would also help with that. News communities would not flood your general feed anymore if you were able to have a specific feed for them
I always sort by new comments and it works pretty well. I see new post and post from 8 months ago that someone commented on. I’ve found a couple niche communities this way
Although there were some proposed solutions for this issue, when scaled sort was implemented, @nutomic@lemmy.ml closed all related issues, even when they weren’t being solved by scaled sort. So, it’s clear that since there are no longer any open issues about this, no one is going to care about solving it. Therefore, it seems like the only option is to accept this fact and learn to cope with it. At this point, I’ve come to terms with the fact that Lemmy is mainly a platform for shitposts, while Reddit is for everything else. When I look at the feed, I mostly see memes, US politics, and some tech.
Custom feeds may not be the most efficient solution due to scalability concerns. However, an alternative approach could be to make the metadata about the posts (votes, comments, etc) available through an API call. This would enable users to develop their own algorithms for content discovery and potentially create a more personalized experience. Users could then implement, share and install these algorithms using tools like Tampermonkey or other userscript managers.
If there are still problems you should open a new issue. We cant leave issues open forever because they go stale and dont account for new features. By the way we are planning to implement multi-communities.
By the way we are planning to implement multi-communities.
Hello,
Any (even very rough) idea on when you guys will be able to work on it? Three, six, nine months?
Not sure really.
No worries, thanks for answering
When I look at the feed, I mostly see memes, US politics, and some tech.
My solution to this (same experience here), was to block all the communities that were flooding with this stuff and anything else I didn’t care for, and then just browse All. Now my home feed is pretty nice.
Leftist into tech.
My feed got very overwhelmed by depressing relatable memes that, guess what, had leftist views expressed in the comments, and posts that were not politics but ended up getting into there anyways.
I might be leftist but damn if outrage and despair isn’t exhausting, I come to social media for fun, not to be angry and sad and hopeless.
Gave up on All incredibly quickly, only use Subscribed (I explicitly excluded anything political from Subscribed). So much less outrage and despair, so many more cute animals.
Scaled sort was implemented in 0.19.0, is that not sufficient? https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-12-15_-/_Lemmy_Release_v0.19.0_-_Instance_blocking,_Scaled_sort,_and_Federation_Queue
I mentioned scaled sort in my post. Yes it boosts communities with less activity (in practice this tends to be midsized communities as I mentioned in my post), but it does so generally. What my post is advocating for is a sort that boosts the communities you tend to engage with a lot, not every community that is less active.
Hi, I created the Lemmy client Quiblr which includes a For You feed which constantly evolves with the types of posts you interact with. 100% private and on-device (i.e. no data leaves your device).
On quiblr, you can use the “For You” sort like any other sort option
Nice. I will try it. Do I have to keep Quiblr cookies for the option to work?
Quiblr’s For You feed should still work without cookies. Let me know if it works for you
Maybe I have settings wrong or something. But is it possible to get a for you feed with only my subscribed communities?
Not at this time. I built the For You feed to be flexible for both signed in and not-signed in users. I can look into adding it as a feature, but it may take a while because Im working to finish the native mobile apps at the moment
cheers.
IMO would be a cool feature.
Because I often get posts I don’t have a clue about because I’m not subscribed to that community, take like 15 secs to understand what the hell is on my screen, and then the for you algorithm starts pushing that community even more because I stayed on it a while.
Ahh I see. If that happens in the future, you can also click the 3 dots on the post and press “Show Less”. It will add more weight so it rise up in the For You feed
I usually use the scaled sort in order to find niche communities
Try Quiblr. It’s a lemmy client with exactly the features you ask for. It checks your engagement, and filters and sorts your feed based on what it learned from your habits.
Weird question, but does it not have a Subscribed view? I can’t find it anywhere
I agree that fediverse needs a personalized “explore” page in general. For example, this is the only plus feature of Bluesky over Mastodon (in terms of technology). It is obvious how big difference it makes.
I generally avoid the evil algorithms found on other social networks, but I hope we see that in Lemmy.
Good algorithm should:
- be open-source for users
- be togglable
- boost engagement boost on positive emotions
- be personalized
- promote niche communities
- promote balanced political debate (probably the hardest)
What is quiblr?
Thats friggen neat! I really like my mobile client, but I wish it has that feature. I might have to give it a try
Blackbox echo chamber generators really should be avoided. They add to the angst and anger of the Internet, and of society.
Community search could be improved. And people should learn to actually use it, rather than being spoon fed whatever some programmer they’ve never met thinks they should eat based on the last 3 things they clicked on.
Community search could be improved.
This isn’t a community search problem. I absolutely should NOT have to intentionally visit every single niche community that I am already subscribed too.
The USER needs a way to control their feed, either by throttling large communities or boosting smaller ones.
This sounds like the sort of thing that’s best solved with a ‘favourite’ option that pushes posts from favourited communities to the top of the feed. No need to get in there and over-complicate it with bespoke weightings or anything.
You are overcomplicating the issue by suggesting a “favorite” option when there is already a “subscribe” option. At the very least, consider proposing something distinct that helps users discover more of the small communities they are subscribed to, rather than suggesting something that has already been implemented.
There’s plenty of communities where I have no interest in discussing things with the masses. I like smaller communities with thoughtful posters who care more about the subject matter than being heard. That’s the beauty of Lemmy. Not everything has to be perfect for everyone.
Engagement does not exclusively mean commenting or posting; voting is also engagement. If you just want to lurk, why have an account in the first place?
I didn’t say I wanted to lurk. I’m just saying I find beehaw’s Technology community more to my preference than LW’s
That’s fair, I guess I just don’t see the connection to OP. From how you phrased this I assumed you were disagreeing.
