• Fleur_@aussie.zone
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    8 days ago

    “And” isn’t necessary when listing.

    Example: “cats, dogs and mice”

    Vs “cats, dogs, mice”

    Haven’t heard an argument beyond “it’s just convention” and I’m lazy enough to not bother with three letters and one syllable.

    I think it also can be a little clearer in some situations where the word “and” is included in the list.

    Example: “I like jazz, rock and roll and classical”

    Vs: “I like jazz, rock and roll, classical”

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      8 days ago

      To me, it sounds like an incomplete list. With the ‘and X’, I know that X is the last thing in that set. I guess that only really matters in cases where you want to absolutely show that a set only contains certain members.

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      An “and” before the last item tells you it’s an inclusive list. An “or” before the last item tells you it’s a pick one. A “nor” tells you it wasn’t any of those. It’s word to wait to the last item to know what the list was, but English is a screwed up language.

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        7 days ago

        Yeah that makes sense. I’d still use “or” for listing options. Don’t really see how omitting the “and” leads to ambiguity though.

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        7 days ago

        Grammar was invented by big keyboard to sell more keys, fuck grammar. I was taught not to use Oxford comma here in Aus. Though I guess I do technically use it I just omit the “and” that tags along

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      7 days ago

      For your example, to make the list clearer in writing I would usually do one of the two.

      I like Jazz, Rock and Roll, and Classical.

      Or

      I like Jazz, Rock & Roll and Classical.

      (Or the other way around if a list item includes “and” specifically)

      I often write in a way that flows better when talking, so I usually try to find ways like the above to make that kind of flow look more understandable in writing too. I don’t think your and-less version flows well, in my way of speaking at least. But I also wouldn’t tell you to stop doing that, because I can understand it, and that matters most in reality.