There are many problems associated with being alive. This is one of them. But it annoys me that vegans seem bent on proselytizing their viewpoint. It always seems self serving to me.
It doesn’t. No one ever alters their life or actions due to someone else’s lofty pronouncements and virtue signaling. The argument is valid but the method is self serving and the message is clear. “We have no desire to change hearts and minds but to increase social standing within our in-group by demonizing those outside of it.” Be a vegan no is stopping you. But using these methods to “promote” it is unhealthy cult behavior.
Because it is. It is just a lifestyle people use to feel like they are better people than meat eaters. Despite the fact that our bodies are literally made for digesting both plants and animal products. Meanwhile, the majority of them still wear clothes made in sweatshops, wear makeup by brands that actively contribute to animal and human cruelty, eat chocolate made with slave labor, buy from stores that carry animal products, and have no issue with cruelty towards people. Idk. If it isn’t a self-serving ideology, it definitely cosplays as one very convincingly.
Well, I’m not applying the logic to an altruistic act. I am applying it to a group of people that claim to be altruists, when they are really nothing more than self-serving ideologues with a nice sounding motive.
Ok forget about the vegans, bunch of preachy, sanctimonious, self-centered assholes every single one. Do you, as a non-hypocritical person with certain principles, think the exploitation of sentient beings is unethical and should be boycotted?
No- I know what you’re trying to go for, because it’s the same argument every Vegan thinks is their coup de grace. I, as a thinking person, am able to kill and use other animals to eat, for clothing, for protection, or for whatever else I need. I do not believe it is more or less moral to be vegan than it is to eat meat or use animal products. Are you able to prove that the plants you “exploit” aren’t sentient? No. Because sentience and life are not easily defined terms. Anyways, have a good rest of your life.
Do you expect people to somehow be able to avoid all suffering? There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and often people don’t recognize the ethical problems with their choices. People purchase clothes they can afford at the shops available to them, and availability of stores that don’t carry animal products is essentially zero.
What I find more odd is defending something we know is causing great suffering, simply because vegetarians/Vegans also do end up participating in the perpetuation of different suffering.
I’m not better than you because I’m vegan, and most Vegans/vegetarians do not believe that. It’s a take I only hear from people that eat animals.
There are many problems associated with being alive. This is one of them. But it annoys me that vegans seem bent on proselytizing their viewpoint. It always seems self serving to me.
Because their viewpoint reduces the most harm and is the most sustainable.
It doesn’t. No one ever alters their life or actions due to someone else’s lofty pronouncements and virtue signaling. The argument is valid but the method is self serving and the message is clear. “We have no desire to change hearts and minds but to increase social standing within our in-group by demonizing those outside of it.” Be a vegan no is stopping you. But using these methods to “promote” it is unhealthy cult behavior.
How is it self-serving when we’re arguing for the better treatment of the animals? That sounds like projection.
Yes, people who are atheists and follow science to a tee are in a cult 🤪
Yes yes the people that care about others dont actually its just virtue-signalling no need to critically engage with what they are saying 🥱
Look at all these doctors and union workers proselytizing their viewpoints!
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Because it is. It is just a lifestyle people use to feel like they are better people than meat eaters. Despite the fact that our bodies are literally made for digesting both plants and animal products. Meanwhile, the majority of them still wear clothes made in sweatshops, wear makeup by brands that actively contribute to animal and human cruelty, eat chocolate made with slave labor, buy from stores that carry animal products, and have no issue with cruelty towards people. Idk. If it isn’t a self-serving ideology, it definitely cosplays as one very convincingly.
Is there any altruistic act that you couldn’t apply that logic to?
Well, I’m not applying the logic to an altruistic act. I am applying it to a group of people that claim to be altruists, when they are really nothing more than self-serving ideologues with a nice sounding motive.
So you agree that veganism is the moral option but dont like vegans because they just pretend to be more moral?
No, I just don’t care for moral grandstanding.
Ok forget about the vegans, bunch of preachy, sanctimonious, self-centered assholes every single one. Do you, as a non-hypocritical person with certain principles, think the exploitation of sentient beings is unethical and should be boycotted?
No- I know what you’re trying to go for, because it’s the same argument every Vegan thinks is their coup de grace. I, as a thinking person, am able to kill and use other animals to eat, for clothing, for protection, or for whatever else I need. I do not believe it is more or less moral to be vegan than it is to eat meat or use animal products. Are you able to prove that the plants you “exploit” aren’t sentient? No. Because sentience and life are not easily defined terms. Anyways, have a good rest of your life.
Dont have to, already done:
https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources
It’s not about being perfect it’s about reducing harm.
Do you expect people to somehow be able to avoid all suffering? There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and often people don’t recognize the ethical problems with their choices. People purchase clothes they can afford at the shops available to them, and availability of stores that don’t carry animal products is essentially zero. What I find more odd is defending something we know is causing great suffering, simply because vegetarians/Vegans also do end up participating in the perpetuation of different suffering. I’m not better than you because I’m vegan, and most Vegans/vegetarians do not believe that. It’s a take I only hear from people that eat animals.
Ah yes let’s aim for the impossible perfection and refuse to improve somewhat.