That’s pretty fucking stupid since people worked on stuff outside of subsistence farming well before money existed. You’re so wrapped up in how things are and how you think things should work you’re not seeing anything potential. In your bleak worldview humanity must enslave itself. Maybe if you had a perspective that was more focused on the happiness and well-being of humans you could use that oh-so-massive big brain of yours to figure out a way for people to have their needs met and have a functioning society, but your motivations are clearly set in a different direction.
That’s pretty fucking stupid since people worked on stuff outside of subsistence farming well before money existed.
Economics existed before capitalism… Macroeconomics does not solely consist of the evaluation of currency. You can do a modern economic evaluation of subsistence farming communities, or a historical macroeconomic evaluation of previous societies.
Macroeconomics studies large scale forces of the economy, like a population’s effect on productivity, labor policy, government type, taxation, or even how weather will affect food growth.
In your bleak worldview humanity must enslave itself.
Lol, even in economies where people equally own the means of production, individual people still have to be productive…
You are just a lazy ass who wants to receive the benefits of a socially and economically equitable society without labouring for it.
figure out a way for people to have their needs met and have a functioning society, but your motivations are clearly set in a different direction.
I started this conversation by arguing we should have a system that already insured our needs were met… You just want your needs met and then extra money so you can be a lazy ass and not contribute anything to society.
UBI is a scam that billionaires put forward because they know cutting a check for 500 bucks every month is a hell of a lot cheaper alternative than providing food, education, housing, and healthcare.
Maybe learn a iota about the economy before you start gargling Andrew Yang’s ballsack…
Like I said before, amazing how people will argue against their better interests.
Lol, arguing something will not work because it disregards very simple economic principles is not “arguing against my own interests”.
Really bold of you to assume I’m just lazy, too.
I mean, you’re obviously too lazy to apply yourself to learn basic concepts…so yeah, lazy asshole.
It’s really funny that you got this bent out of shape when someone just asks “why not both”
My dude, dunking on lazy idiots online is fun…
Ah well can’t help everyone, especially when they won’t bother trying, right?
The irony… Coming from the idiot who thinks we could provide housing, medical care, education, food and give everyone $500 a month by just by changing taxes…
Considering how the government spends money on so much other shit
Again… You have no idea what you are talking about, and have no clue how much healthcare cost.
The federal government’s largest expense is social security (22%), Medicare (14%), and Medicaid(10%). That’s nearly half of the entire federal budget to cover some of the cost of living and healthcare for a minority of the country.
Granted our system is wasteful and inefficient, but not to the point where we wouldn’t have to vastly increase revenue to cover the entire populations healthcare, food, housing and education. We would have to reshape the entire economy to do so, and I think there is a moral imperative to do so. However, once that is accomplished, I do not see a reason to implement UBI, a plan that would just further increase the need for revenue that’s already being spent for better purposes.
I already explained why UBI would not stimulate the economy under a the economic conditions we were discussing. There’s a reason no communist country has implemented a UBI. You are just too dense to actually understand anything we’re talking about. You don’t even understand the reason UBI is a scam in our current economic system let alone a hypothetical one.
not last, I’m just gonna take advice from someone who probably stabs homeless people.
Lol, I advocate for universal housing, education, nutrition, and healthcare… But because you don’t understand basic economics, it means I want to murder homeless people?
Also I imagine you meant to say "I’m not lazy, I’m just not gonna take advice…?
It’s almost like you’re too lazy to even read your own responses…
You were so wrapped up in the current situation that your very limited imagination couldn’t comprehend changing it, and you’re myopically focused on the world as it is instead of what it could be. I can understand someone who isn’t very creative having a hard time thinking outside of what’s put in front of them, so I’m sorry I was trying to introduce a hypothetical that was so over your head that you clearly got frustrated with the situation.
You were clearly thinking from a “how could we work this ass things are” situation because of your mental limitations, and I was casually thinking of hypotheticals and being goal first oriented, thinking of the optional situation and willing to work backwards.
So yes, of course my cavalier suggestion wouldn’t work in the economic system we have now, and since you’re not really able to look outside of that, you, like a frustrated child, see it as an impossibility and lashed out.
I think it would certainly be a noble goal and something to work towards, humanity having it’s basic needs met with a small stipend on top of that, and what a pity there’s people who would fight tooth and nail against such an idealized situation.
I suppose you’re very much wrapped up in the puritanical thought of life without work is sinful and should be avoided, especially with your repeated accusations of laziness directed at me, so such a future would be a nightmare for you. I only assume you never plan on retirement and view retired people with contempt for their lack of toil. It’s why I assume you wish to stab homeless people, for their sloth. You say you’re for nationalized education, housing, good and healthcare but honestly I don’t think your heart is in it if one of your big arguments against ubi is the same one being used against all those things, the horrible idea that some people might not work when they could.
Ah well, have fun working towards humanity having to do perpetual labor forever, I’m sure that’s a great idea. Wouldn’t want too many idle hands and all.
You were so wrapped up in the current situation that your very limited imagination couldn’t comprehend changing it, and you’re myopically focused on the world as it is instead of what it could be.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? We are already imagining a world where all basic needs are being subsidized by the government… Which is not the curt status quo the last time I checked.
introduce a hypothetical that was so over your head that you clearly got frustrated with the situation.
We were already talking about the likelihood of a hypothetical when you further proposed ubi on top of it.
thinking from a “how could we work this ass things are” situation because of your mental limitations,
Again… We were already talking about a hypothetical That is different from the current status quo. Just because I don’t think UBI is compatible with that hypothetical doesn’t mean anything but your inability to understand economics.
wouldn’t work in the economic system we have now, and since you’re not really able to look outside of that, you, like a frustrated child, see it as an impossibility and lashed out
Again…can you not retain what you read? We were already talking about an economic system that is not our current system. UBI is only compatible with our current system, because it’s a ploy from billionaires to stop paying for things like social security and Medicare.
small stipend on top of that,
For what reason…? You haven’t validated your reasoning other than falsely claiming that it drives the economy. Which I already explained why it would not happen in this hypothetical economic scenario.
puritanical thought of life without work is sinful and should be avoided, especially with your repeated accusations of laziness directed at me
I honestly don’t care if you wanted to work or not in this scenario, you aren’t going to starve, you will have the right to higher education, and will have a roof over your head. What I don’t want is for the system to further incentive people like you to do nothing but goon all day and take from the system without ever giving anything back to society.
If that is possible the system will not be productive enough to provide for everyone. Socialism just doesn’t mean you can be a lazy ass and get a free check, quite the opposite. It means we’re all responsible for providing enough to insure the people who lack the ability to contribute don’t go without.
I only assume you never plan on retirement and view retired people with contempt for their lack of toil. It’s why I assume you wish to stab homeless people, for their sloth.
Lol, I plan on retiring early and am on track to do so… We don’t currently live in a socialized economy, so I really do not care if you aren’t being productive, it’s no skin off my back. Though I would advocate that you still deserve food, healthcare, and a roof over your head.
but honestly I don’t think your heart is in it if one of your big arguments against ubi is the same one being used against all those things, the horrible idea that some people might not work when they could.
Again, you really need to take a course at the community college or something for reading. In our current economy, I wouldn’t mind UBI so long as it wasn’t a veiled attempt to lower social security or Medicare funding. However, in the hypothetical scenario new were talking about, UBI would be unnecessary and would likely increase the funding requirements while simultaneously lowering productivity…which is why no socialist government has done any sort of UBI in the past.
Ah well, have fun working towards humanity having to do perpetual labor forever, I’m sure that’s a great idea. Wouldn’t want too many idle hands and all.
This is the reason I call you out for being a lazy fuck. Because that seems to be the only thing you really care about. You seem to be in hysterics over the thought that you might have to be a productive member of a socialized society, even though it would mean having universal housing, education, food security, and healthcare. Again providing for all society is not free, I’m sorry to burst your little imagination land bubble. Please learn to read, it might help some of these ideas seep through your thick lazy skull.
That’s pretty fucking stupid since people worked on stuff outside of subsistence farming well before money existed. You’re so wrapped up in how things are and how you think things should work you’re not seeing anything potential. In your bleak worldview humanity must enslave itself. Maybe if you had a perspective that was more focused on the happiness and well-being of humans you could use that oh-so-massive big brain of yours to figure out a way for people to have their needs met and have a functioning society, but your motivations are clearly set in a different direction.
Economics existed before capitalism… Macroeconomics does not solely consist of the evaluation of currency. You can do a modern economic evaluation of subsistence farming communities, or a historical macroeconomic evaluation of previous societies.
Macroeconomics studies large scale forces of the economy, like a population’s effect on productivity, labor policy, government type, taxation, or even how weather will affect food growth.
Lol, even in economies where people equally own the means of production, individual people still have to be productive…
You are just a lazy ass who wants to receive the benefits of a socially and economically equitable society without labouring for it.
I started this conversation by arguing we should have a system that already insured our needs were met… You just want your needs met and then extra money so you can be a lazy ass and not contribute anything to society.
UBI is a scam that billionaires put forward because they know cutting a check for 500 bucks every month is a hell of a lot cheaper alternative than providing food, education, housing, and healthcare.
Maybe learn a iota about the economy before you start gargling Andrew Yang’s ballsack…
Like I said before, amazing how people will argue against their better interests. Really bold of you to assume I’m just lazy, too.
It’s really funny that you got this bent out of shape when someone just asks “why not both”
Ah well can’t help everyone, especially when they won’t bother trying, right?
Lol, arguing something will not work because it disregards very simple economic principles is not “arguing against my own interests”.
I mean, you’re obviously too lazy to apply yourself to learn basic concepts…so yeah, lazy asshole.
My dude, dunking on lazy idiots online is fun…
The irony… Coming from the idiot who thinks we could provide housing, medical care, education, food and give everyone $500 a month by just by changing taxes…
Considering how the government spends money on so much other shit, it would cost a pittance in comparison, and generate more flow in the economy.
I’m not last, I’m just gonna take advice from someone who probably stabs homeless people.
Again… You have no idea what you are talking about, and have no clue how much healthcare cost.
The federal government’s largest expense is social security (22%), Medicare (14%), and Medicaid(10%). That’s nearly half of the entire federal budget to cover some of the cost of living and healthcare for a minority of the country.
Granted our system is wasteful and inefficient, but not to the point where we wouldn’t have to vastly increase revenue to cover the entire populations healthcare, food, housing and education. We would have to reshape the entire economy to do so, and I think there is a moral imperative to do so. However, once that is accomplished, I do not see a reason to implement UBI, a plan that would just further increase the need for revenue that’s already being spent for better purposes.
I already explained why UBI would not stimulate the economy under a the economic conditions we were discussing. There’s a reason no communist country has implemented a UBI. You are just too dense to actually understand anything we’re talking about. You don’t even understand the reason UBI is a scam in our current economic system let alone a hypothetical one.
Lol, I advocate for universal housing, education, nutrition, and healthcare… But because you don’t understand basic economics, it means I want to murder homeless people?
Also I imagine you meant to say "I’m not lazy, I’m just not gonna take advice…?
It’s almost like you’re too lazy to even read your own responses…
Ah, I see where the problem lies.
You were so wrapped up in the current situation that your very limited imagination couldn’t comprehend changing it, and you’re myopically focused on the world as it is instead of what it could be. I can understand someone who isn’t very creative having a hard time thinking outside of what’s put in front of them, so I’m sorry I was trying to introduce a hypothetical that was so over your head that you clearly got frustrated with the situation.
You were clearly thinking from a “how could we work this ass things are” situation because of your mental limitations, and I was casually thinking of hypotheticals and being goal first oriented, thinking of the optional situation and willing to work backwards.
So yes, of course my cavalier suggestion wouldn’t work in the economic system we have now, and since you’re not really able to look outside of that, you, like a frustrated child, see it as an impossibility and lashed out.
I think it would certainly be a noble goal and something to work towards, humanity having it’s basic needs met with a small stipend on top of that, and what a pity there’s people who would fight tooth and nail against such an idealized situation.
I suppose you’re very much wrapped up in the puritanical thought of life without work is sinful and should be avoided, especially with your repeated accusations of laziness directed at me, so such a future would be a nightmare for you. I only assume you never plan on retirement and view retired people with contempt for their lack of toil. It’s why I assume you wish to stab homeless people, for their sloth. You say you’re for nationalized education, housing, good and healthcare but honestly I don’t think your heart is in it if one of your big arguments against ubi is the same one being used against all those things, the horrible idea that some people might not work when they could.
Ah well, have fun working towards humanity having to do perpetual labor forever, I’m sure that’s a great idea. Wouldn’t want too many idle hands and all.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? We are already imagining a world where all basic needs are being subsidized by the government… Which is not the curt status quo the last time I checked.
We were already talking about the likelihood of a hypothetical when you further proposed ubi on top of it.
Again… We were already talking about a hypothetical That is different from the current status quo. Just because I don’t think UBI is compatible with that hypothetical doesn’t mean anything but your inability to understand economics.
Again…can you not retain what you read? We were already talking about an economic system that is not our current system. UBI is only compatible with our current system, because it’s a ploy from billionaires to stop paying for things like social security and Medicare.
For what reason…? You haven’t validated your reasoning other than falsely claiming that it drives the economy. Which I already explained why it would not happen in this hypothetical economic scenario.
I honestly don’t care if you wanted to work or not in this scenario, you aren’t going to starve, you will have the right to higher education, and will have a roof over your head. What I don’t want is for the system to further incentive people like you to do nothing but goon all day and take from the system without ever giving anything back to society.
If that is possible the system will not be productive enough to provide for everyone. Socialism just doesn’t mean you can be a lazy ass and get a free check, quite the opposite. It means we’re all responsible for providing enough to insure the people who lack the ability to contribute don’t go without.
Lol, I plan on retiring early and am on track to do so… We don’t currently live in a socialized economy, so I really do not care if you aren’t being productive, it’s no skin off my back. Though I would advocate that you still deserve food, healthcare, and a roof over your head.
Again, you really need to take a course at the community college or something for reading. In our current economy, I wouldn’t mind UBI so long as it wasn’t a veiled attempt to lower social security or Medicare funding. However, in the hypothetical scenario new were talking about, UBI would be unnecessary and would likely increase the funding requirements while simultaneously lowering productivity…which is why no socialist government has done any sort of UBI in the past.
This is the reason I call you out for being a lazy fuck. Because that seems to be the only thing you really care about. You seem to be in hysterics over the thought that you might have to be a productive member of a socialized society, even though it would mean having universal housing, education, food security, and healthcare. Again providing for all society is not free, I’m sorry to burst your little imagination land bubble. Please learn to read, it might help some of these ideas seep through your thick lazy skull.