Good we agree on the second point, so if you wouldnt want to be killed in your sleep, and it would be murder to do it against your will, what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them when they dont want to or need to die for your taste preference.
You’ve been veering into misinformation territory for a while now. Please only address comment content going forward, rather than your assumptions or anxieties.
“…what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them…”
If I’ve said something thats misinformation I’d like you to point it out so that I can learn, otherwise I’m just going to keep repeating it elsewhere because I haven’t knowingly said anything false
There’s some complexity here. Consider that farmland only accounts for about 7% of the Earth’s total land. Pasture land, only suitable for feeding animals and not raising crops, is about 25% of the Earth’s total land.
It’s foolish to have a human grow crops to feed animals, totally agreed. That makes no sense. However, for the 25% of land that’s only suitable for grazing ruminants, a human does not have to grow the crop, the animal eats something a human can’t eat. And that’s the power of ruminant nutrition
India is amazing in this respect, their shepherding was striking. Seeing the attitude of cattle in India gainly eat the dozens of native plant varieties everywhere was fascinating compared to other countries’ cattle chewing their cud.
9 months, then I feel off the wagon pizza and rice and the like, now I’m back on the wagon.
I couldn’t feel better, things that always hurt stopped hurting. The worst thing is I know I’d feel better when would get back on the wagon but it’s so easy to normalize all the aches and pains of life.
Just from when I fell off the wagon last time and when I started up again:
shoulder pain went away
knee pain went away
bone Spurs in toe stopped hurting
more energy, alot more
intangibles, I feel like my thinking is more clear and precise. I have better word choice in conversations
These pains were not minor, they were significant detractors to my life. The shoulder injury was from working out, and it hadn’t healed since I fell off the wagon. But within a week of getting back on the wagon it went away
My gym trainer has remarked that I have a lot more energy now, he could notice when I switched.
Daily diet: ground beef and eggs, variety when I have social means, for treats I eat cheese
Yeah, zero fibre, no issues pooping I swear.
Broad diet picture: before omnivore lots of carbs, addicted eating patterns lots of snacks.
After carnivore: tend to one big meal a day, no desire for snacks, food noise is very muted. Shooting for zero carbohydrates.
yes thats why I said 10-30%, if you account for the fact these animals often eat human inedible crops, the efficiency raises from 10% to 30% (edit: 35% just rechecked the numbers)
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“the crops you grew harvested and fed to the non human animal were calories that did not end up in the human”
Yes, this is the aforementioned reallocation of calories.
'If someone gave you the choice today to be killed in your sleep…and then remove your memory…would you say yes?"
Nah. Thank you, though.
Good we agree on the second point, so if you wouldnt want to be killed in your sleep, and it would be murder to do it against your will, what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them when they dont want to or need to die for your taste preference.
You’ve been veering into misinformation territory for a while now. Please only address comment content going forward, rather than your assumptions or anxieties.
“…what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them…”
Nothing.
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I do not think it’s okay to kill animals, humans included.
If you have a direct question, ask it. No more of your straw men or misinformation.
If I’ve said something thats misinformation I’d like you to point it out so that I can learn, otherwise I’m just going to keep repeating it elsewhere because I haven’t knowingly said anything false
Thank you.
Drawing conclusions on your own unsubstantiated conclusion that I think killing animals is “ok” because I eat animals is misinformation.
You are following your own prejudices and fabricating topics rather than addressing a civil conversation.
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You are wrong again.
If you have a direct question, ask it. No more of your straw men, assumptions, or misinformation.
How am I wrong you’ve said you eat other animals, eating animals requires killing them so you must think its ok to kill them
There’s some complexity here. Consider that farmland only accounts for about 7% of the Earth’s total land. Pasture land, only suitable for feeding animals and not raising crops, is about 25% of the Earth’s total land.
It’s foolish to have a human grow crops to feed animals, totally agreed. That makes no sense. However, for the 25% of land that’s only suitable for grazing ruminants, a human does not have to grow the crop, the animal eats something a human can’t eat. And that’s the power of ruminant nutrition
India is amazing in this respect, their shepherding was striking. Seeing the attitude of cattle in India gainly eat the dozens of native plant varieties everywhere was fascinating compared to other countries’ cattle chewing their cud.
Yeah. I did omnivore, I did vegan, now I’m doing something even more niche, carnivore (which nobody likes).
The world has lots of options and perspectives, better to see a lifestyle you like and adopt it rather then trying to change everyone around you.
How long have you been meat-exclusive?
“better to see a lifestyle you like and adopt it rather then trying to change everyone around you.”
couldn’t agree more.
9 months, then I feel off the wagon pizza and rice and the like, now I’m back on the wagon.
I couldn’t feel better, things that always hurt stopped hurting. The worst thing is I know I’d feel better when would get back on the wagon but it’s so easy to normalize all the aches and pains of life.
Please feel free to be vague or non-answery, I’m just curious.
What things used to hurt and no longer hurt? What is your daily diet? Absolutely zero fiber? What is the broad diet picture before and after?
No worries, I have a community oh here about it
Just from when I fell off the wagon last time and when I started up again:
These pains were not minor, they were significant detractors to my life. The shoulder injury was from working out, and it hadn’t healed since I fell off the wagon. But within a week of getting back on the wagon it went away
My gym trainer has remarked that I have a lot more energy now, he could notice when I switched.
Daily diet: ground beef and eggs, variety when I have social means, for treats I eat cheese
Yeah, zero fibre, no issues pooping I swear.
Broad diet picture: before omnivore lots of carbs, addicted eating patterns lots of snacks.
After carnivore: tend to one big meal a day, no desire for snacks, food noise is very muted. Shooting for zero carbohydrates.
“no issues pooping I swear”
Oh no worries haha, I went carnivore for a while in China. Fat helps in evacuation.
Carbs = Crazy naptime for me.
First week I stopped eating carbs was pretty wild, first fasting moreso, omni omad with occasional fasting is my routine now.
Do you just put ground beef into fried eggs or omelets? Do you try to make different dishes?
yes thats why I said 10-30%, if you account for the fact these animals often eat human inedible crops, the efficiency raises from 10% to 30% (edit: 35% just rechecked the numbers)
You can see the figures and calculations here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzj1OcHzjOg