Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.

He does exactly that- teach and control them.

On hoarding wealth:

Matthew 19:16-22

And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Luke 12:16-21

And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”

On violence:

Luke 22:50-51

And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 5:38-42

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

jesus is a bad master

No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.

Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.

Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.

Slavery according to the christian bible:

That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.

None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.

According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves

No, it’s not.

But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.

The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.

And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”

John Newton, 1778

How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.

I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.

2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy

No, because this is just your belief. It isn’t something that is proven by evidence. Because it isn’t true.

What evidence would you need to prove it exactly?

Then what the fuck was the point of bringing it up and arguing on exclusively religious lines about it??

It was on the subject of bringing religion into politics.

“You know who else didn’t like Christianity? Adolf Hitler.” Is this really the level of reasoning you operate at?

It’s a good example of how secularism is needed to abolish morality.

Lol. The classic, “Marx failed to consider human nature” meme argument. “Humans are too sinful, that’s why we need to stick with systems that incentivize and reward greed and corruption, while keeping others poor and desperate.”

I never said we needed to stick with capitalism. I’m saying that relying on humans is deeply fallible, and marxism completely fails at replacing religion.

and we should keep doing capitalism.

Never said that.

Met a few ex terrorists. Northern Ireland is cool.

HTML Website is cool. A child of that age might be able to write basic HTML. I wasn’t much older when I made my own site

correct, jesus is not a perfect master

Jesus is a perfect master. He is patient.

An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.

No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.

I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.

Not, we don’t.

Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.

No, it isn’t.

it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.

No, it’s not.

the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.

Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.

but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.

Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.

Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.

Considering it’s just taking up space on a normal sticker, and it doesn’t track you, this isn’t that bad honestly. I wish this was the worst.

and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.

That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.

jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.

Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.

being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.

I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?

jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.

And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.

Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself.

No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.

It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.

It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.

1. John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.

2. And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.

The other 1 and 2,

1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.

2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.

Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.

A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.

your bible is a cherry tree.

No, it’s not. In fact, verse numbers weren’t a thing until a few centuries ago.

I would say that you have done one of the worst jobs of biblical interpretation I have ever seen, but if you, for whatever reason, think that it’s just a random assortment of verses, then it’s understandable why your take was so bad. So I’ll pose and answer two questions.

1. Who carries out the punishment of death?

2. What is God’s instruction to the husband?

These are questions which are only answerable if you don’t use the Bible like it’s a cherry tree.

1. The punishment of death is carried out by God. Who are sinners? The same writing that says “the punishment for sin is death” says “all have sinned”. What that means is the reason we die is BECAUSE of sin, so God punishes us with death.

2. If you kept reading on in what you originally quoted, you would have seen a much greater burden put on the Husband.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

Christ is God. So husbands must somehow try and love their wives with perfect love. This is the same God who keeps forgiving even the worst sins, and died in a horrific manner in order to save them. So husbands are expected to die for their wives. And taking the bullet is the easy bit- you may need to die to your own desires or preferences in order to show love to your wife. Maybe you were saving some money to go to a sports game with your mates, but your wife really wants a nice date. To die to yourself would be to use that money to go on a nice date with your wife.

Provide me photographic evidence of Julius Caesar.

But about this rag- it’s quite humbling that the omnipotent creator and governor of the Universe would come down and be a man like that. Beaten, bruised, pierced and scorned.

And the radio carbon dating of it to the middle ages was recently debunked, turns out those were just repair cloths nuns put on it at some point. Fibers were found showing it may have been from the first century middle east. And even then, scientists still cannot explain the image.

No you are not. “Objectively,” is it? Is there something physical you can point to that proves your philosophical position on personhood correct?

The resurrected Jesus Christ was physically here on earth, so yes.

I literally never even said that, you are literally accusing me of strawmanning you by putting words into my mouth.

I wasn’t doing this and I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about other activists I’ve dealt with.

But you are unwilling to make any arguments along secular terms, so that’s completely irrelevant.

I never said that, and Abortion isn’t the primary topic at hand here.

If you want to participate in modern civilization without trying to take us back into the fucking dark ages, then you have to play by the rules of secular governance that prevent you from being burned at the stake for being the wrong type of Christian. And that is especially true if you expect to get through at all to anyone who is not a Christian, if you expect me to even have a modicum of respect for your beliefs and not see you as fundamentally incompatible with a functioning society. And if it’s actually true that your position is just as defensible from a secular perspective, then why are you constantly bringing religion into it?

I can imagine a Nazi saying this to Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the 1940s.

Being raised around this exact bullshit is exactly why I’m a Marxist. Because I have already seen the future you would bring humanity into and it’s utterly horrifying and must be stopped at all costs.

Marxism seems to fully depend on humanity in order to work. The issue with the human condition is that we’re sinful and corrupt. That’s why Marxism is a pointless pursuit. It would never work on corrupted humans. And hence, has never fully worked. Even the UK’s healthcare system which is socialised gets pilfered by corrupt people in charge. We can’t even have marxism working on a healthcare system, nevermind the country. Humans are too evil.

I remember a while ago I heard someone who was probably a middle aged woman and a social activist on the Today Programme saying that they should implement scanning on e2ee services for csam. The host rightfully pointed out something to the tune of “well that would mean breaking the encryption, right?” And she responded with “well, these people are smart, they will figure something out”.

Before I address your insane cherry-picking, where did you get the whole “murder your wife in the name of christ for not cooking dinner” from.

This you?

When did someone murder their wife in Christ’s name for not cooking you dinner

their religion provides all the answers, while trying to pass off their myriad superstitions as objectively correct.

It provides the answers on this topic

Why do you get to decide the definition of personhood?

Because we are objectively correct. We can live with concessions on people being wrong when it only harms them, but not when it harms others.

To us, from our perspective, this is like a flat-earther telling us “why do you get to objectively decide that the earth is round?” Or a climate change denier saying “why do you get to define that emitting less CO2 is good for the environment?”. I am so thoroughly convinced that Jesus rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, and that He will return in glory to judge both the living and the dead and establish an eternal kingdom which will have no end, that I don’t see any anti-pro-life arguments as rational at all.

There are unhelpful strawmen as well “oh, you only want to control women”. No. We genuinely believe that a foetus is a valuable human life. That’s the sum of the argument, a human life isn’t degraded by circumstance either. The Pro-life reason is so incredibly simple and it’s not exclusive to Christians either. While every Christian should be pro-life (the ones who aren’t are typically lukewarm cultural Christians who don’t really respect the actual faith itself and just like to pick and choose) there are also secular pro life organisations.

What are you on about?

I’d like someone in a US church choose that chapter for their Sunday reading of the Bible, and then see the faces of the congregation sitting through it.

Not in the USA, but I’ve heard some pretty interesting sermons on the topic. Generally about prophecies and how the ancient Israelites viewed certain numbers

So the definition of homophobe is someone who is incontinent? Why would you be hateful towards someone you perceive to have a medical condition?