Z_Poster365 [none/use name]

what if you shake em a bit?

I think Davos having a psychic link with the Deep Ones will come into play later on, he will receive frightful visions that try to convince him to do something that furthers the agenda of the Deep Ones.

I think he will be vulnerable to this due to Stannis/Melisandre burning Shireen (which I do believe will happen), who Davos is very close to. Sacrificing children has always been his moral red line and this will drive him to do something extreme, perhaps guided by the Deep Ones.

It makes sense that Patchface will be burned at the same time, as the only reason anyone suffers him to be around is because Shireen likes him.

Do you see how these things are all wrapped up together? Shireen and Patchface are currently at Eastwatch by the sea, which is where there is reportedly “dead things in the water”.

Wonder if doing blood magic at the hinge of the world (the wall) could make anything drastic happen? 🤔 Meanwhile Aeron and Euron are hanging outside of Oldtown preparing to do blood magic sacrifices while Leyton Hightower sits in his tower “Mayhaps raising an army from the deep” or something to that effect.

I’m not sure exactly what will happen but watch these 2 locations.

Davos is consistently shown as probably the most rational man in Westeros with the best head on his shoulders. It’s out of place for him to act erratically, hypocritically and against the wishes of Stannis.

ACoK 58 (Davos III) is the relevant chapter here, the Battle of Blackwater Bay from Davos’ POV. The only time he mentions Melisandre is that he’s glad that Stannis left her behind because otherwise everyone would credit victory to her sorcery. After he drowns, he about faces and gets immediately pissed that Melisandre wasn’t there to save his family - which you could chalk up to hypocrisy from Davos, but you could also say is a distinct change in his opinions. He is the one who lobbied to leave her behind, and then he’s mad she wasn’t there?

Davos recognizes during the battle that it was lost due to A) wildfire and B) the chain boom that Tyrion set up. Neither of these would indicate he should be mad at Melisandre for some reason.

Also, he is literally stranded after his drowning on the “Spears of the Merling King” and has prophetic visions of the “Seven” telling him to Kill Melisandre. Like George is not being particularly subtle here.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Spears_of_the_merling_king

I would also add that Davos has the most Merling related content of any POV characted save maybe Brienne and Iron Islanders like Aeron. He sails to the Three Sisters, speaks with the Borrells about their 5000 year old fishy-person mark, goes to the Merling Court of the Manderlys (also definitely merling hybrids, anytime you see fat cannibals be on the lookout). The Manderlys even drop hints to Davos about Frey Pie and their cannibalism.

Brienne is the one who speaks with Nimble Dick and gets the lore dump on Merlings, as well as the one who fights Biter and gets her face eaten by him. Read that fight with Biter, it’s very obvious she’s not fighting with a human being. She’s jamming her armored gauntlet into his eyes and punching his face like 10 times and it does nothing to him whatsoever but is described as hitting a big wet ball of dough. Brienne of Tarth shoving her armored gauntlets into your eyes should do something to most normal people. Merlings and their hybrids seem to be exceptionally strong, have extreme pain tolerance and are very difficult to kill (See the Manderly guy getting his belly cut open and continuing to fight and not dying) and often have sharp teeth. The Hybrids on the Thousand Islands file the teeth of the women they offer as sacrifice, so it seems like the sharp teeth only exist in 100% merlings and not weaker hybrid strains like the Manderlys

People aren’t rational beings. He, of course, wouldn’t hurt his liege lord, but a foreign woman influencing your lord? She’s the perfect scapegoat for his monkey brains at that moment. Dude lost four sons, he has to cope with the fact that he willingly let them all go into battle for a man whose odds of becoming the king are very low.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but before he drowns he has no such compulsions to kill Melisandre even as the battle is going to shit and he witnesses the death of his sons. He knows this would be treasonous, and Davos would not commit treason. It’s only after the drowning that this compulsion arrives.

It seems his personality change was the most minor and temporary, possibly because he drowned the least badly.

Also because I don’t like this fact. ‘Least Badly’ is not the modus operandi of the gods in ASOIAF. The magic in ASOIAF is cruel, weird, erratic, costly and full of mockery. I don’t think deep ones would just leave him like that. And I don’t think martin meant it and if he did, I’d chalk that up to “overwriting”. Though, he’s good at avoiding that. (so far)

I would update my theory a bit here and word it better. I instead posit the severity of personality change has to do with how strong of a identity/ego the person had before drowning. Similar to how hard it is to warg a human vs. a Hodor (because Hodor has been “emptied out” of ego/identity). Patchface was a child who was raised as a slave, hence why he was totally wiped and made full Deep Ones thrall. Aeron was 16 and still a youth, but a bit more developed in his identity as a Greyjoy. He also had a surrounding culture of Deep Ones worship to calibrate himself to, a context in which his hallucinations and delusions made sense and in fact were revered by others. Patchface is mocked and seen as crazy, Aeron is seen as prophetic and wise because of where he is.

Davos is middle aged, very comfortable with his identity, very secure in his family and loyalties. He is probably the hardest type of man to manipulate in this way until he goes through destabilizing grief.

I don’t think the Deep Ones “Mind Control” directly per se, they seem to instead implant images and visions and manipulate people in the same way that say, Rh’llor manipulates Melisandre or the Three Eyed Raven manipulates Bran. The drowning just creates the psychic link that allows the transfer of these images. Hence why Aeron is still a raging misogynist, an overcompensation for his past womenizing (he probably see’s his past self as pathetic) - plus yes the Deep Ones seem to be misogynistic as well in that they seem to mainly demand female sacrifices. All of the Deep One Cults that arise around the world are also misogynistic, such as Ironborn Culture and the culture of the Thousand Islands. These are sexual assault monsters after all. This honestly could be GRRM making a meta-nod towards Lovecraft being racist/sexist, since these are Lovecraftian creatures.

Plus let’s be real, Ironborn Culture is insanely misogynist as a foundation that Aeron started with. They have thralls and salt wives, they dress up as squids and raid greenlanders and steal their women. They roleplay being Merlings and enact the horror that was inflicted onto them onto everyone else.

I hope that doesn’t happen, but I’m also sick and tired of the floatillas that just sail around the area doing nothing for years waiting in ports until they get the clearance to proceed (which they never will). Shit or get off the pot. Risk your life making the smuggling run or just leave, don’t collect money for aid if you’re not gonna make an honest attempt at delivering it.

3 times in the books characters come back differently after miraculously surviving drowning. There are thousands of repeated myths of “Merlings” or “Selkies” in the ASOIAF universe, and we even see some hybrids (Biter is confirmed). Their whole thing is getting humans to make sacrifices to them, and they reproduce via humans. They have some abandoned land cities throughout the world like in Yeen and in Moat Cailin from when they were more powerful in ages past. They are worshipped by the Iron Islanders, given sacrifices, worshipped by the people of the Thousand Islands and feared by everyone who lives along the coast who all have Merling related cultures. It has something to do with the meteor of black oily stone that the bloodstone emperor (Azor Ahai) called down from the heavens and crashed into the ocean to cause the Long Night (at least 3 places were hit by meteor(s), those being Bloodstone Island breaking the arm of Dorne, the Iron Islands flooding the Neck & Stygai by the Shadow outside Asshai). This evil meteor seems to be sentient in some way and related to the red meteor from the series, hence why it heralds the 2nd long night. The traditional Maester’s explanation of the Hammer of the Waters being brought down by the Children makes no sense whatsoever, they hate the Long Night and fight against it. They didn’t cause it, and breaking the Arm of Dorne to stop the First Men coming over makes no sense because at that point millions of First Men were already there. Damage was done.

The first time we see water-based personality change and magic is Patchface, the most clear case. His ship was lost in a storm and he somehow survived 3 days in the ocean, washing up with the dead bodies but was still alive. From that point forward his personality completely changed and he started spouting what we as readers know are cryptic prophetic messages. He is clearly magical and in tune with either a god or something feeding messages and instructions to him. He’s not just crazy, he is prophetic. This was outside Storm’s End on the East Coast of Westeros.

The second time we see water-based personality change is The Damphair. Aeron Greyjoy was a partier and more chill guy before drowning in a shipwreck and coming back obsessed with the Watery Halls and the Iron Islander’s religion of worshipping the Deep Ones. The Iron Islanders used to be slaves and feeding/breeding stock to the Deep Ones (like those on the Thousand Islands) before the Grey King sailed from Essos and elevated their race from slavery. That’s why their culture is a mix of Deep Ones worship and Mariner culture from The Great Empire of the Dawn. Aeron is attempting to fight against his blasphemous brother Euron and is very clearly influenced by a severe change in personality from his time drowning and being “saved”.

The last time we see water-based personality change is Davos Seaworthy after he should have drowned in the Battle of the Blackwater Bay. He wakes up delirious and with an immediate driving compulsion to kill Melisandre, even though she had nothing to do with the deaths of his sons (Stannis was equally responsible for the botched siege but Davos doesn’t get mad at him). He then attempts to kill her based on his sea-hallucinations and delusions before being captured and given time to calm down. It seems his personality change was the most minor and temporary, possibly because he drowned the least badly. Rh’llor seems to be connected to this in some way, as there is a Red Priest helping Euron (much to Aeron’s chagrin) and a Red Priest helping Stannis (that Davos tried to kill, and that gets the creeps from Patchface and wants to burn him). Rh’llor and the Deep Ones are clearly at odds in some direct way.

What is the agenda of the Deep Ones? Possibly to bring about the 2nd long night and bring down another meteor, or possibly just to regain their ancient power and farm humans openly again. The rock pollutes the water (as seen in Stygai) and mutates the fish and wildlife. It’s possible that these soapy, oily black stones in the ocean are actually the origin of the Deep Ones or the source of their powers.

Deep Ones are Real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67NrU0uZo2k

Aeron got Patchfaced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4kim_eNuYs

Moon Meteor Theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYAufRp5nI

It’s my theory that the meteors are sentient and basically gods, exuding psychic powers much like those of the astral projection of the Glass Candles. It’s possible that the red meteor from the series IS Rh’llor, who doesn’t want to be crashed down onto Earth and turned into an artifact of power for mortals to use (this was Bloodstone Emperor’s goal originally, and he killed a different God to try and absorb or utilize its power. This is the origin of the Dayne’s greatsword Dawn, a meteor sword that predates Valyrian Steel and was brought over from the GeotD. It was made from the meteor at Stygai and the parable of Nissa Nissa being stabbed to forge Lightbringer is the story of the Earth being penetrated by falling swords (meteors), hence why her scream cracked the world. I mean, the Glass Candles and Dragons and Magic only starts working again once the meteor gets close. They are connected.

The Bloodstone Emperor and GEotD are from sources outside the main series, but they are there to create historical parallels to how the main book series will go. They are canon as even in the 2nd book when Dani has her vision in the house of the undying she sees Kings with different gem colored eyes which represent the GEotD. You don’t NEED to know about them, but they give us an outline of what will happen. That’s how GRRM writes, he repeats the same themes over and over with slight variations. Euron Greyjoy, Dani or possibly Jon will take on aspects of Azor Ahai/The Bloodstone Emperor to try and either undo the damage done in the past, or repeat the same cyclical pattern. Either way, it’s important to know the historical backstory if you want to theorize how the main story will go. Euron is definitely a Bloodstone Emperor parallel, they both are megalomaniacs and blasphemers who are apocalyptic heralds of destruction in their quests to become gods and abandon earthly morality.

Hilariously it’s Davos, the smuggler famous for bringing onions to a besieged Storms End via boat. Also one of the only wholesome and good characters in the whole series although he was momentarily possessed by the Deep Ones to try and kill Melisandre (ask me to explain and I will).

Really burying the lede that it’s Davos Seaworthy smuggling in food to a besieged and starving area

nah

because America will invade you if you cut them out of your market, which is what would truly be necessary to stop American media propaganda

bad faith, rude, chauvinistic. Go back to Reddit

Why don’t you respond to my criticisms of your juvenile and chauvinistic posting instead of deflecting?

So why don’t you add (fuck America) after all your comments instead?

Again, the vast majority of cybercrime and hacking worldwide done by state institutions is done by the United States of America. Ever heard of Stuxnet? Ever read the NSA backdoors revealed by Snowden? Seen Israel blowing up pagers?

your little “fuck putin” makes it very clear you are not immune to propaganda and have consumed far too much of that good American home grown shit

99.9999% of the propaganda you consume on a daily basis is not Russian in origin. It’s American. Everything rotten and wrong with your society comes from within.

hmm i wonder if they’ll start using washing machine chips

Weed leads to more open mindedness. Why bother using it as an opiate of the masses when you have actual opiates. Push those instead while throwing anyone who has touched weed into the private slave system for superprofits.

yes. shut up zionist

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s causal, but it could also be that more naturally empathetic people trend towards weed to cope with the reality that our society is brutal and predatory and uncaring. I know I need weed just to cope with living in a fascist society where almost everyone around me shrugs their shoulders at genocide.

Also it could be shared confounding variables like the fact that more poor, young and POC people smoke, and old rich white people have drained themselves of all empathy