I sure did.
You get 3rd party genocide in Palestine no matter what you pick which is a travesty, but D politics doesn’t lead to disappearing people to CECOT or broad daylight funneling money from the government into the hands of the friends of the president at the expense of dismantled dept of education or anything else.
I guess I could have used the cautery party, but basically everything is way fucking better than what we have now.
I mean you can criticize whoever you want and I’m happy to support you doing that. The idea of rallying around a 3rd party candidate is unfortunately a pipe dream. How would anybody know who to rally around because they aren’t allowed to participate in debates or even really participate as a first class candidate? It sounds good on paper but it just isn’t and has never been a reality. It looks a lot more possible if one election like 20% of people vote third party, but it hasn’t ever happened.
There’s no “gotcha” here to be had. There are 2 predictable choices at present and they both suck, but it is clear which is the least worst.
I didn’t say anything about force for good. I said objectively better. If you think Kamala and Trump are equivalent presidents, well… I would be surprised you can read.
The gunshot wound in the analogy is not genocide. It is more like all the human services things like healthcare, food stability, loans and loan repayment, etc.
Like there are DEFINITELY ways to do it better than either of the candidates here, but comparing D to R addressing these issues (or not) there’s no contest.
It’s an objectively raw deal. For the presidential race there are functionally only two choices.
The down ballot races have choices and primaries have choices and local races have choices. Mamdani surging to the top of the mayoral race for NY is an expression of the voters. 3 years of 4 there’s time to demonstrate public opinion and express unhappiness in any of a variety of ways, but I don’t have a silver bullet to provide.
All I can do is say that, practically, if there are two candidates for the president race and both support arming Israel, I would rather get a half assed attempt at public infrastructure than a government burning gestapo grift. And I think most people agree. If you want to make the argument that I’m the long run trump is a cold shower that we deserve to shock the whole system… I might have agreed in 2020, but now I’m not so sure it will change anything past 2028.
Both R AND D abetted a genocide. That’s the entire point.
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It sounds like this might be a deeper part of disagreement: fundamentally the voters pick the politicians. Blaming voters isn’t punching down, that is the ground floor and the only place progress is made. Its the ONLY place to punch.
Politicians serve at the leisure of the people. It is our duty to vote them in or out. It’s not punching down to tell voters to do their jobs, voting is literally the only ask for the vast majority of people. Besides jury duty, it is the minimum form of governmental/political participation a citizen can do.
There is no excuse for doing nothing besides being lazy. I am going out of my way to respect your perspective and your right to have it, but at the end of the day I think doing nothing and being proud of it is a cop out, and saying “it’s all the same in the end” is not just a cop out but is also disingenuous.
If everyone who didn’t show up because of genocide in palestine (or darfur / tibet / cambodia) voted, would trump still be president? I don’t honestly know.
What I DO know is that things are objectively worse now than they were before the 2020 election and there was no party in that election that adequately addressed the problem. So sure, maybe this is an instructional moment and there will be a huge surge on the left in 2024. On the other hand, maybe there won’t be an election at all because of “war with domestic terrorists” or something. I understand the argument of “nobody WANTS to vote a lesser evil anymore” when it’s between the likes of Al Gore and Mitt Romney. When it’s Trump, Project 2025, and a risk of validating Jan 6 (which we unfortunately did), I’m sorry but even though I agree with your position my gut feeling is to blame you MORE than my dumb Trump voting family because at least they got duped. You (generally) walked right into it and said “Ha. Yeah. Win without me.” and then left it to burn, knowing full well that this bullshit we are living was a possible, or even likely outcome.
“Why did this thing I did nothing to stop happen if it was the worse option?” Well. I don’t know, but I know who I’m more frustrated with about it.
By way of understanding each other, I agree on point 2 and disagree with point 1.
They may go to the same place and maybe it all started in 1970 or something. But I wasn’t here then and neither were lots of people who I believe are similar to me. I want change in a radical way, but I would settle for slowing the house from burning enough for us to have room to do something meaningful. D is a counter burn and R is gasoline.
Compared to whatever the party of trump is, idk how any sane person can equivocate and just say “yeah it’s all the same either way”. The kind of person I guess with no trans or foreign friends maybe, but even still.
The acting is a little bad in some places but it’s a very decent action movie IMO. You can’t have a Cage movie without some bad acting I think.
Have you ever seen “The Rock” with Sean Connery and Nick Cage? To make it really succinct, I support your position and I would be on alcatraz with you (metaphorically speaking), but when it comes time to launch the rockets, I’m with General Hummel and it sure seems to me like .ML would really like to just pull the trigger.
Sorry cowbee, youve got no power here. I thought I had you blocked already. Leftist is fine, I draw the line at tankie. Blocked at instigator.
I guess it depends a lot with how “related” you find things.
Its pretty clear in the US that genocides in other parts of the world (or even at home in the not so distant past) are not given appropriate weighting by political parties in power. However, there are still hungry families, people who need medicine, and various other forms of suffering right in the town where you live if you’re a US citizen.
I don’t even disagree with the position you have that minimizing genocide is abhorrent. However, by talking about “what is related or not” I personally feel like society is spraying blood from the femoral artery and there’s the “tourniquet party” and the “shoot people in the femoral artery” party and you’re like “FUCK THE TOURNIQUET PARTY, they abetted genocide! I’m out!”. Or “Because of their apparent support for genocide, I will vote for the cautery and surgical foam party, even if they HAPPEN to be a 9 hour drive away.”
On the one hand, this issue is really fucking important. On the other hand, riding the morality of the issue to the point that you do nothing to fix or address ANY problem (which makes a person who only posts about it basically indistinguishable from a neck bearding grouper) is also important to realize.
Kids were and are dying in Palestine. I have a hard time seeing how the moral thing to do is to make sure some kids grow up without parents in the because they got disappeared by ICE (or any of the issues above). I’m telling you these issues are not related to me: fight genocide AND fight police state / hunger / healthcare etc. The other guy is making the same argument but I guess he wants to open a Waffle House or some shit.
From where I sit, you have made “minimizing genocide” a weapon that even hurts more people , and simultaneously allows you to feel good about doing nothing by doing nothing.
I undermount my PC on the far back corner of my desk, the lights just don’t do me any good.
The opposite of this is also hard.
I want a pc in a black case and I DONT WANT ANY GOOFY FUCKING LIGHTS. Everything comes with lights. The keyboard, the mouse, the fans, hell I bet some RAM has lighted coolers now.
It is not easy to choose stuff and not accidentally pay extra for a piece or two that lights up like bozo the clown’s asshole. It is a minefield.
A guard at a concentration camp? No.
If a protester in australia stopped people from feeding their families at a food bank or kept sick kids from getting cancer medicine by blocking the door because of the Holocaust, would that be a valid position to hold? 🤔
Ah yes, that should fix it.
Oh shoot I broke the rule in the meme!
I’m all for a third party coming up and taking over, my contention is that you might not get free elections that far into the future by allowing trump back in. That was IMO a big red line, and following your ideals is all well and good but I don’t think you can compare trump to either Bush or any president in recent history.
I’m against genocide, but indirect genocide abroad compared to complete collapse of the government here is not a cut and dry issue for me.
I don’t know how you know by way of a direct roadmap, but allowing a second trump presidency feels the same as crossing 1.5 C global warming… It points to something much, much worse.