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  • pebbles@sh.itjust.workstoScience Memes@mander.xyzOnLy tWo eLemEnTs
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    1 month ago

    That article seems to counter your above points about using secondary characteristics pretty directly.

    As well:

    However, the existence of such conditions does not undermine the binary nature of sex, because the sex binary does not entail that every individual can be unambiguously categorized as male or female.

    The article counters the claim that everyone can be placed into the binary.

    It seems that “sex is a binary” but we have to exclude folks that don’t fit into it. Looks like the meme we’re commenting on is still pretty applicable lol.

    So now to me it looks like sex is a binary nested in the larger binary of unambiguous and ambiguous sex. Giving folks 3 places they could end up, one of those places (ambiguous sex) being a spectrum. But thats only if we are going to be super technical. I probably wouldn’t correct someone for seeing that disjointed spectrum as a regular spectrum.

    I do love a pedant though. I’m not even joking. For example: the comedian David Mitchell.

    It’s been fun taking the time to learn all of this. Thanks for all the links.


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    the body isn’t organized around producing no gametes.

    After looking some case reports it looks like a lot of folks with ovesterticular disorder have both sets of genetalia and neither can produce gametes. These folks tend to choose a gender (usually the one they grew up as pre-puberty) and get hormone therapy and such to affirm it.

    Since “sex is a binary” is a universal claim, it only takes one existential example to disprove it. I was pretty convinced by the case reports I read that the sex binary can’t include every person.

    I’d be convinced if ya presented a definition that could be used on everyone.

    But at this point I think we are splitting hairs. It seems obvious to me that there is a range of ways sex can exist in humans. At this point a definition for the binary would have to be pretty complex and people close to the boundary would likely be very similar despite getting opposite labels. It’d be like saying there is a binary of black and white and the line is at R127,G127,B127. I mean sure, but we both know we are just drawing a line in a spectrum.


  • So, just how you can’t say that a rock on an even platform has failed to fall, I don’t think you can say that an intersex individual has failed to produce gametes. Since neither had intention. Therefore I feel like your binary definition is extraphysical. Given that, I think you’d understand why I wouldn’t accept such a religious adjacent idea.