im guessing “where will the animals go” is also a stupid question?

i think i see where the misunderstanding lies.

so, if the state says that being in gay relationships is allowed… for me as a gay person, that changes nothing. all it does for me in a gay relationship is that the state wont be in my way because of my choice of partners.

now if u as an individual had an issue with my relationship, the state would (ideally) restrict u from attacking me on that grounds.

so, ig i agree that in that sense, the state will restrict an individual on how much power they can exert on other individuals. as the saying goes: ur freedom ends where mine begins.

How is this not a restrictions on what you can decide?

so as an individual, i may decide what gender i want to be in a relationship with, because the state wouldnt get in my way.

but if i wanted to decide for someone else what their relationships should look like, then the state would intervene.

on that point, as an openly queer person myself, i dont really see the state in a protective role of me in that way. if i got in a situation where im attacked on these grounds… empathy, warmth, solidarity, from bystanders and from friends, would be what i need. cops and other state actors are more likely to be the cause of discrimination, than the thing that stops it and heals the wounds.

so to ur original point that progressive countries still want to impose restrictions on ppl… i think that is a point where leftists would split between those who think a state is necessary to fight discrimination and power imbalance, and those who think states are the perpetuators of discrimination and imbalances of power.

and in my opinion, with the definition of authoritarianism that i gave, any ideology that necessitates a state will be inherently authoritarian, although a progressive one perhaps less so than a conservative one.

All democratic countries, even the most progressive, have the state exercising power over the individual people to make decisions for them.

correct. all states do this; it is their function.

paying for everyone’s healthcare, paying for everyone’s retirement, who you are allowed to have sex with, who is allowed to buy or make those products etc…

u gave no examples of decisions being made for people. all of these examples are instances where the state does not restrict what decisions the individual can make.

healthcare and retirement being a bit more complex ofc, but those are still not instances of decisions being made for someone else, it is still up to the individual whether to accept such payments or not.

this is a big difference between liberal and conservative views. progressives or liberals often want more freedoms for individuals and more restrictions on corporations, whereas conservatives traditionally would want more restrictions on individuals and more freedoms for corporations

authoritarianism, in my view, is the degree to which power is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. so, a dictator for example, who makes decisions for everyone in their jurisdiction, is a highly authoritarian form of government.

and so is a representative who was given power by the majority (>50% of the ppl they will be ruling over), without being given a strict mandate on what policies to enact, or instant recallability if they didnt obey such mandate.

in ur example of “economically liberal, socially conservative”, lets disregard the economic stance for a moment and see if the socially conservative stance would be authoritarian.

as i understand, examples of conservative social policies include: anti-abortion laws, anti-trans healthcare, abolition or diminishing of welfare, among many others.

in these examples, it is the state that exercises power over an individual’s freedom.

abortion laws decide for pregnant ppl if they will be allowed from deciding whether to bring their pregnancy to term.

anti-trans laws decide for trans ppl whether they can decide to take hormones or get surgeries that they want to have.

welfare cuts are a form of economic coercion, pressuring ppl to find a job with a living wage, or die trying.

all of these are examples of the state exercising its concentrated power over individual ppl, to make decisions for them (or rather, prevent them from having the decision in the first place).

of course authoritarianism is a spectrum. and a country can be authoritarian without being a dictatorship, there is nuance in everything. but i hope i cleared up why conservatism (which in my experience has always presumed a state to be necessary) is inherently authoritarian.

u made the equivalency first.

So instead, here’s an actual equivalency:

forced birth.

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does this look natural to u?

that picture is amazing. that cant have been by accident x3

i know this is an old comment, but i wanted to reply anyway. im sorry for my comment. i hadnt thought about post-op trans ppl at all.

to clarify however, it wasnt the “first thing” i thought abt trans ppl, im trans myself actually.

i guess ive had too much contact with pre-op or never-op trans ppl and too little with post-op ppl to have this on my radar.

i will try to be better in the future!

well sometimes u need to refer to ppl who have a vagina, because having a vagina is somehow relevant to the topic of conversation. which in my experience comes up very rarely, so i dont have to use it very often.

some people who have vaginas arent women, and so if the topic includes those ppl, then “people with vaginas” is the perfect phrase to use. and if talking about ppl with vaginas who all identify as women, cis women is more fitting.

“female” is a very vague way of referring to something. some ppl use it to describe gender identity, others use it to talk about ppl with vaginas, others again use it to refer to ppl with estrogen-dominant hormonal systems, etc. etc.

“people with vaginas” is one option ig. or if they also identify as women, cis women is another option

“uhh u gotta have some kind of wage slavery! lets just beg for the slave conditions to get just a little better! oh this person is saying we should abolish slavery?? ridiculous! dont they know nothing would ever get done in society??”

i dont wanna argue with the crippled remains of the antiwork movement, bc it frustrates me to no end. but please read some antiwork theory before saying so much dumb shit all at once.