Yeah, so where are all the trans gold medalists before the ban was put in place?
They’re gonna run him for Pres if he’s already centrist-ing out
“Peter Principle” Buttigieg
Hey, Pete! Get fucked!
The rest of the quote in the article: When Inskeep pressed Buttigieg on whether he believes a parent who has complained about a trans athlete competing in girls’ school sports “has a case,” he agreed. “Sure,” he said. “And that’s why I think these decisions should be in the hands of sports leagues and school boards and not politicians… in Washington, trying to use this as a political pawn.”
Not a great answer. I wonder how he would have answered if the question was rephrased from a trans kids point of view, i.e. if a trans kid was barred from playing high school sports and the parent complains, do they “have a case”?
Well they wouldn’t be banned from competing, just competing against girls.
Look the unfortunate truth is that a child that has been through male puberty has a huge strength advantage.
Take the politics or culture warfare out of it and just look at it from a sports perspective. Broadly speaking, the women that complain about trans athletes in women’s competition due to an inherent sporting advantage have a valid point.
If sporting bodies/scientists etc can find ways of managing the situation so it is proven to be fair then great (the paralympics have various categories for instance, off the top of my head why can’t other sports?), but until then this insistence upon something that in many instances isn’t fair in a sporting sense creates a wedge issue right wing types can and do exploit because the average sports fan (who also happens to be the average person in the street) knows it isn’t fair in terms of sporting competition.
Yes I expect to get downvoted/attacked. I think social media and mass news media has created the same entrenched defensive rigid thinking in people on both the left and right. How they think rather than what they think. I recognised it in myself and have really tried to get passed it.
Yes I expect to get downvoted
You should. Not because you’re some bold warrior for free speech valiantly defying the woke mob like you seem to think, but because you’re just flat out wrong. You’re spreading disinformation and acting like you’re standing up for facts.
Trans women who are engaged in medical transition are either taking high dose androgen blockers, or have had their source of androgens removed entirely. In fact, the average medically transitioning trans woman has less testosterone than the average cis woman. I know trans women who work out, who engage in physical sports and even combat sports. They struggle immensely with the fact that their bodies just flat out refuse to build muscle. I know people who do the kind of exercise and eat the kind of diet that would put the average guy at 200-220lbs within a year, and their bodies resolutely refuse to go past 140-160.
Trans women are at an astonishing disadvantage in sports. The few who excel do so either because they’re in sports where those disadvantages don’t matter (in which case, there’s no advantage to be concerned about either) or do so in spite of those disadvantages. This can be seen in the numbers; until recent panics started leading to bannings, many international sports including pretty much all of the olympics allowed trans women to compete as their stated gender, and yet trans women are actually under-represented among trophy and medal holders. Statistically, by sheer population ratio, they should be winning more than they are.
Transphobes love to latch on to any individual example of a trans woman performing well as if it justifies their argument, but when looked at in aggregate the statistics show that there is no danger of unfairness being posed by trans women in sports. No amount of bullshit about “bone density” and other meaningless shit that has never been suggested to matter in these competitions until hateful bigots needed an excuse can change the reality that sports are doing just fine. The only reason more trans women are winning in sports now is because more trans women are competing in sports, because more people feel comfortable openly expressing this part of their identity.
You are simply ignoring the facts.
Your thinking is as bad as the most ardent right wing moron.
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Isn’t that why there are laws about hormone levels in athletes’ blood?
Glad Pete is telling us he’s willing to throw trans kids under the bus before he makes a run for president in 2028. Fuck him. Liberals aren’t your friends.
That is not throwing anybody under the bus. The issue is so overblown, for political noise issues, mainly to influence voters, I guess.
It is an issue, like bathroom use, and I think they are not easy, but they are blips in the challenges trans people face, like Healthcare, etc.
Usual distractions.
It is an issue, like bathroom use, and I think they are not easy
How is the bathroom thing not easy?
It should be, but you have a bunch of Maga fucktards making an issue of it
Oh God, another one
So, as opposed to what? Trump?
God damn it Pete, dementia Trump in office raises serious issues in the world and you have no other topic to talk about than sport?
I imagine he was asked a question, and didn’t just randomly bring it up…
and you have no other topic to talk about than sport?
I always see someone with this exact same take every time any politician says anything and it’s so dumb, lol
The guy was asked a question about a political topic and he answered it. That doesn’t mean that particular issue is all he thinks about, or that he thinks about it to the exclusion of other topics. If I asked you your stance on trans athletes I’m sure you’d have an opinion too, but I would never assume that’s the only issue you ever talk about.
Look, I think Pete is the same kind of neoliberal Uncle Tom as the rest of the Democratic establishment, but this was just one question he answered in an interview with many questions, and he’s been pretty vocal about Trump and other pressing political issues for like 3 straight election cycles.
What questions you choose to entertain as legitimate is a statement in itself.
Dems are thinking “if we throw trans under the bus, surely they’ll like us this time.”
They are, and it’s so fucking disheartening to see.
I’ve seen so many liberals say shit like, “just because the left went too far with wokeness, doesn’t mean we need to go too far the other way”… Too far? Fuck off.
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Another standard issue centrist caring more about games than human rights.
Pete another neo-liberal nightmare, who serves up a word salad of Whataboutisms so he never has to answer the questions. His past as a two term mayor speaks for itself, heed the warnings.
“If he’s the next president, I fear for our country. He couldn’t run our city. How can he run the United States?” said Michelle Burger, 42, a stay-at-home mom who lives in South Bend’s impoverished and predominantly black West Side. “Look at all the crime — he didn’t do anything about it. Look at our quality of life. If he becomes president, the United States will become one big South Bend — a giant sinkhole. We’ll be in a new depression.”
Why South Bend residents are warning America about Pete Buttigieg
It’s not a huge surprise but extra sad when transphobia comes from within the LGBTQ+ community.
This ain’t transphobia.
From the people who brought you “biden is the most progressive president since FDR.”
Yeah, I’m also not saying that.
Just have all athletes measured in an index of height, weight, muscle mass and bone density, and redistribute them in even categories disregarding sex entirely as a categorization. For the first time we would have fair sports. Sports were never really fair, and anyone who understands just the simple notions of physics has always pointed this out. They just don’t like it when nerds prove jocks don’t understand the very games they play. And that’s all sports trully are in the end. Games.
The part that boggles me is how this takes so much space in the broad conversation when competitive sports are truly an inconsequential part of existence. None of that affects life outside of it. None whatsoever. And I’m sure even athletes want this situation actually solved, instead of just dumbing it even more.
And by the way I’m speaking of sports, not exercise. For some reason, people conflate the two.
Exercise is essential.
Sports are not. They can be fun. But people surely know how to ruin the fun out of it.
I’m looking forward to moving on to the next important issue. Which to them is probably going to be if there should be male vs female acting categories in award shows. No, there’s no reason for it. But caring about award shows is even dumber than that dumb distinction in them. The Arts would be better off without them. Competitions in Arts is as silly as it sounds.
The part that boggles me is how this takes so much space in the broad conversation when competitive sports are truly an inconsequential part of existence.
It takes so much space because the amount of energy required to ask the question “should trans women compete in women’s sports” requires exponentially less energy than the amount of energy required to defend a particular answer to that same question.
Conservatives know this, so they’ve made a point of incessantly asking it and others questions like it because that steals focus from more important issues, riles up their own base, and causes liberals to fight with each other.
liberals to fight with each other.
Liberals don’t fight each other. They fight the left. Liberals are in perfect lockstep: they want republican votes so badly that they will throw any minority under the bus and back up over them as many times as they think it will take.
The use of energy in disinformation rhetoric is fundamentally misunderstood by most people. If more people understood this type of asymmetric rhetoric, then we could actually move the important conversations forward.
10% of fascism is just more efficient talking points.
