Do not cut your dog open to prove a false dichotomy.
What do you want to know about the efficiency of killing plants?
Calories are not “lost” by their ingestion and utility. You are here, having fun typing your answers because of the calories you have ingested and used.
Animals taste good and are a natural, efficient source of nutrition.
Calories are not “lost” when they are ingested and used.
When you pay taxes to maintain civil services, that money goes to buy books, pay firefighters and maintain roads. The money is not “lost”, it was used.
I’m very happy you’re learning about factory farming, I’m well aware of its problems. Factory farming is part of why I live abroad. Are you from the US?
India is a wonderful country and you may want to consider living there, I was a very happy vegan in India.
I’m just trying to explain trophic energy loss, not get in the middle of this- the number of calories that a pig eats during its lifetime is much smaller than the calories we can get from its meat. These calories aren’t “lost,” but they are used by the pig to support its growth, function, and movement. If we ate the soybeans used to feed it instead, we’d need to harvest fewer plants, because it’s more efficient to just get the calories from the plants than it is to also support an additional animal.
“they” not “it” they’re thinking feeling creatures with personality memory preferences fears and feel pain love grief and comfort, they are someone not something not an inanimate object and never “it” not calling other animals it is a simple thing we can do to subconsciously reduce speciesism in the world
Good we agree on the second point, so if you wouldnt want to be killed in your sleep, and it would be murder to do it against your will, what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them when they dont want to or need to die for your taste preference.
You’ve been veering into misinformation territory for a while now. Please only address comment content going forward, rather than your assumptions or anxieties.
“…what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them…”
There’s some complexity here. Consider that farmland only accounts for about 7% of the Earth’s total land. Pasture land, only suitable for feeding animals and not raising crops, is about 25% of the Earth’s total land.
It’s foolish to have a human grow crops to feed animals, totally agreed. That makes no sense. However, for the 25% of land that’s only suitable for grazing ruminants, a human does not have to grow the crop, the animal eats something a human can’t eat. And that’s the power of ruminant nutrition
India is amazing in this respect, their shepherding was striking. Seeing the attitude of cattle in India gainly eat the dozens of native plant varieties everywhere was fascinating compared to other countries’ cattle chewing their cud.
9 months, then I feel off the wagon pizza and rice and the like, now I’m back on the wagon.
I couldn’t feel better, things that always hurt stopped hurting. The worst thing is I know I’d feel better when would get back on the wagon but it’s so easy to normalize all the aches and pains of life.
yes thats why I said 10-30%, if you account for the fact these animals often eat human inedible crops, the efficiency raises from 10% to 30% (edit: 35% just rechecked the numbers)
Do not cut your dog open to prove a false dichotomy.
What do you want to know about the efficiency of killing plants?
Calories are not “lost” by their ingestion and utility. You are here, having fun typing your answers because of the calories you have ingested and used.
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Harvest.
Animals taste good and are a natural, efficient source of nutrition.
Calories are not “lost” when they are ingested and used.
When you pay taxes to maintain civil services, that money goes to buy books, pay firefighters and maintain roads. The money is not “lost”, it was used.
I’m very happy you’re learning about factory farming, I’m well aware of its problems. Factory farming is part of why I live abroad. Are you from the US?
India is a wonderful country and you may want to consider living there, I was a very happy vegan in India.
I’m just trying to explain trophic energy loss, not get in the middle of this- the number of calories that a pig eats during its lifetime is much smaller than the calories we can get from its meat. These calories aren’t “lost,” but they are used by the pig to support its growth, function, and movement. If we ate the soybeans used to feed it instead, we’d need to harvest fewer plants, because it’s more efficient to just get the calories from the plants than it is to also support an additional animal.
Thank you, context is valuable.
Calories are not “lost” when eaten, they are reallocated.
Efficiency also depends on context. Should you dig a hole manually or with a backhoe?
How big is the hole, how was the backhoe built, how far away is it, who owns it, what is its fuel, and so on.
“they” not “it” they’re thinking feeling creatures with personality memory preferences fears and feel pain love grief and comfort, they are someone not something not an inanimate object and never “it” not calling other animals it is a simple thing we can do to subconsciously reduce speciesism in the world
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“the crops you grew harvested and fed to the non human animal were calories that did not end up in the human”
Yes, this is the aforementioned reallocation of calories.
'If someone gave you the choice today to be killed in your sleep…and then remove your memory…would you say yes?"
Nah. Thank you, though.
Good we agree on the second point, so if you wouldnt want to be killed in your sleep, and it would be murder to do it against your will, what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them when they dont want to or need to die for your taste preference.
You’ve been veering into misinformation territory for a while now. Please only address comment content going forward, rather than your assumptions or anxieties.
“…what is so different about a cow a chicken a pig a fish that makes it ok to kill them…”
Nothing.
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I do not think it’s okay to kill animals, humans included.
If you have a direct question, ask it. No more of your straw men or misinformation.
There’s some complexity here. Consider that farmland only accounts for about 7% of the Earth’s total land. Pasture land, only suitable for feeding animals and not raising crops, is about 25% of the Earth’s total land.
It’s foolish to have a human grow crops to feed animals, totally agreed. That makes no sense. However, for the 25% of land that’s only suitable for grazing ruminants, a human does not have to grow the crop, the animal eats something a human can’t eat. And that’s the power of ruminant nutrition
India is amazing in this respect, their shepherding was striking. Seeing the attitude of cattle in India gainly eat the dozens of native plant varieties everywhere was fascinating compared to other countries’ cattle chewing their cud.
Yeah. I did omnivore, I did vegan, now I’m doing something even more niche, carnivore (which nobody likes).
The world has lots of options and perspectives, better to see a lifestyle you like and adopt it rather then trying to change everyone around you.
How long have you been meat-exclusive?
“better to see a lifestyle you like and adopt it rather then trying to change everyone around you.”
couldn’t agree more.
9 months, then I feel off the wagon pizza and rice and the like, now I’m back on the wagon.
I couldn’t feel better, things that always hurt stopped hurting. The worst thing is I know I’d feel better when would get back on the wagon but it’s so easy to normalize all the aches and pains of life.
yes thats why I said 10-30%, if you account for the fact these animals often eat human inedible crops, the efficiency raises from 10% to 30% (edit: 35% just rechecked the numbers)
You can see the figures and calculations here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzj1OcHzjOg