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A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
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Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
Anywhere but:
- lemmy[.]ml
- lemmygrad[.]ml
- lemmy[.]world
- he xbea r[.]net
Don’t forget:
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vegantheoryclub [.] org
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tankies
wait, what?
They love simping for the CCP and Putin.
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I hate the communists on this platform developed by communists
I don’t hate communists. The reasons I don’t recommend those instances are:
lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments
lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.Supporting nazi governments is frowned upon, yes
Do you honestly agree with the idea that Ukraine was a nazi country?
Was? No, the nazis are still in charge. I said government, don’t pull that shit where you make no distinction between the people and their jailers. Ukrainians? Probably mostly cool, haven’t met them. Their government? Absolutely nazis, absolutely put in place by us to do nazis shit.
I had a whole thing written about Operation GLADIO and America’s almost century-long history of doing exactly this all over the world, how the word “Tankie” comes from the time the Soviet Union stopped them from doing it to Hungary in 1956, but then I remembered a picture is worth a thousand words. Here’s several pictures:
That’s a picture of Stephan Bandera by the way, head of the OUN-B organization which participated in the Holocaust. Here he is in his in his spiffy military uniform:
Eh, times change, right? It’s not as if any recent high ranking government officials have been see-
Ah. Hm.
Well, it’s not like they’re doing hitler youth shit, right?
God damn, what the hell is going on? Is there some kind of documented, easy-to follow trail of obvious causality that I can use to make sense of this??
Of course there is, and it’s only a minute and a half long!
Okay, joking is done. Real talk, do you honestly believe the obviously bullshit narrative that Ukraine isn’t a country whose people live under the Nazi boot?
By nazi country, I meant ruled by nazis. Sorry if that was unclear.
Even if Ukraine has a “nazi problem” russia’s invasion is nothing but imperialism.
Hexbear.net defederated because of a domain problem that’s since been fixed
Although I suspect the “censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments” is just as much present there as it is in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and the main reason for the “censorship” is racism
No, some instances block hex.
Also, .ml’s modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S’s imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn’t the answer. I feel like hexbear has a more diverse range of views compared to .ml or grad though.
Spesifying that you shouldn’t support Russia even critically shows that you don’t understand the meaning of “critically”
Who benefits from the extension of the conflict? Who manufactures the soon-to-be expired warheads and ammunition sold to Ukraine?
US wouldn’t cease the the siege of Iraq and Afganistan before they gained the control of the whole governing body of the country and then extending the occupation for a decade (before abandoning the puppet government to fend for itself)
If Russia ceased all operations today keeping all the area they gained throughout this war, they would have still done less harm to Ukraine than US has done in any of its conflicts
“Critical support” means support for the option that causes the least humanitarian damage
Also, .ml’s modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S’s imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn’t the answer
Have you considered that reality supports Russia’s justifications for intervening in Ukraine
And what are those justifications?
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
This is exactly why you should tell people leaving reddit to check it out.
Some people don’t come here to talk politics.
There are some people who may just use reddit for non-political stuff, like crafts, gaming and news from their country. Most of that stuff is on lemmy.world.We do all that too, we’re just cooler. We have DIY comms, anime comms, I run the gaming discord where we mostly just chill and play Foxhole ARMA and project zomboid.
My point is that everything is political and for people that want a nice cozy space that is vigilantly purged of reactionaries and bigots it’s a breath of fresh air from the reddit environment that carries over to a lot of the big “default” - as you call them - instances.
Shit half the posts on hexbear are silly jokes, weird special interest stuff, personal projects, or random bean posting. We are just very very militant and fairly unified when topics of politics come up and it has roots in irreverent commie shitposting so that will always be there.
hexbear does have a lot of non-political comms, but some of the more niche ones are on .world. I think .world is still far better than
No thanks, people like that make reddit a miserable experience. Its the same here.
“boo hoo people shit on me for being reactionary”
That is all I get from this comment without further elaboration.
i’m not getting anything from your comment either, I don’t even know what you are talking about. reactionary? people shit on me?
It’s just a miserable reading experience even when I don’t interact. Hopefully blocking certain instances helps, but what makes me wary is that blocking certain people for example seems to hide the whole threads if someone in the thread is blocked.
What a weird take. Its not promoted as an app for communists even if its made by them. Decentralized should mean that noone can enforce it to be communist.
No, decentralized means the communists won’t get banned from your feed unless you block them yourself
Same point, different wording.
it’s not, you can mold the lemmy you experience perfectly to your liking, you just have to moderate it yourself, just don’t be surprised when you come across communists everywhere
Yes its the same point, you just misread my comment.
Now explain why to the masses.
- tankies
- tankies
- centralisation
- tankies
tankies => historical revisionism and genocide denial.
I don’t really care if they are authoritarian communists, I care that they deny or try to embellish massive human rights absuses and human suffering.
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Authoritarian anything; within reason - is generally a bad thing. Ie communism, capitalism, and all spectrums in between :)
Capitalism is inherently authoritarian
Because most Americans can’t handle any other worldview and have no identity beyond mindless nationalism.
Not everyone against tankies are American or even from the West. You ARE aware Lemmy has many worldwide users, right?
“I hate centralization, we should do less centralization”
posts a list of instances to avoid, 3/4 of which are actually much smaller in active users than his own, presumably just all instances he politically disagrees with
Not really.
- lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts
- lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
- lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
- hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
so that’s 3/4 that you’re saying to avoid because you personally have deemed their moderation policies objectively inferior (and judging by 1 and 2 you probably think the same about hexbear?)
sounds like they’re just instances you politically disagree with, one of which does happen to also be massive. I’m not saying redditors should come to those 4 instances, they mostly shouldn’t (grad and hexbear don’t want most of them, .ml has been trying to not be “the default instance” since forever, and world is a shithole and already massive/centralizing), but your choice of list was transparently more political than it was about centralization, why not just be honest about that?
Or are you going to pull the “moderation policies are (or should be) objective and apolitical” canard?
I never said it was about centralisation, it was about instances being recommended to newcomers. Sorry if that was unclear.
I don’t know if you realise this but we can actually see the titles of posts we’re commenting on.
The comment I was replying to said “Don’t make perfect the enemy of good!”, likely referring to getting users onto the fediverse from sites like reddit. I think recommending almost any instance but those ones is a good idea to newcomers.
Also, just because the title references centralisation, the biggest problem plaguing LW, doesn’t mean there are other reasons to avoid it.
Can we recommend another generic instance? .world has a few problems plaguing it right now.
You’re on one of them already, IMO
The other one I have in mind is mine. Lemmy.zip even DM a starter guide after sign up.
Makes sense.
Lemmy.world is filled with censorship and genocide apologists. It’s basically an exact clone of Reddit’s culture of smug libs that look down their noses at other poor people while working tirelessly against their own best interest by supporting corrupt oligarchs that weaponize identity politics as a highly effective dog whistle.
While there is wackos on .world, this is mostly because of .world’s slowdowns and delays.
Yeah. I started on world and accidentally made my password too long to ever login again. It was a wonderful accident.
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Welcome!
Now that the election is over and the shitlibs on world can pretend that Trump is the only demagogue to blame for the ongoing genocide, you might be fine.
If I were you, I’d switch before you share your opinion somewhere that kescusay@lemmy.world or jordanlund@lemmy.world can censor or even ban you.
I’ve seen people banned and their comments removed for having the audacity to question the official braindead Reddit hivemind lib narrative (pro-DNC no matter how demonstrably corrupt they get because “have you seen the other guys?”, anti-Single-Payer, conveniently pro-Ukraine while hypocritically anti-Palestine).
It’s pretty easy to switch nowadays.
I don’t see the issue with recommending a generic instance, if your intend is to convert the generic user. It certainly is a better experience than saying ‘ok, so choose what you like from this list of instances’ and they don’t even know the implications or what that means.
The overcomplication of Lemmy is an issue, and this behavior tries to avoid that.
Recommending generic instances is good, but please don’t recommend that generic instance.
I was forced to go to Lemmy after the post-inauguration bloodbath, but Ive liked it a lot, more than Reddit in many ways. I was getting really tired of the bots, puns, Russian Propganda, novelty accounts, TROLLS, etc.
OTOH, I feel like I can speak much more freely on Lemmy. Even before I got permabanned, Reddits Free Speech mission had become non-existent.
The downside of Lemmy is that some of my favorite subs don’t have an equivalent on Lemmy. For instance, the Reddit guitar subs are very active, but the few Lemmy guitar forums are nearly empty, with posts that are days, weeks, months, and even years, apart. I tried Googling “Lemmy Guitar” for ideas, and literally every link was about Motorhead.
So I welcome more quality Reddit immigrants, as long as all the Trolls stay over there.
At least they aren’t shudders Canadians…
Hey, some of us are fond of Canadians, that’s why I’m on sh.itjust.works. It’s got a nice vibe.
Canadians are scary
It’s the worst. I wish people would stop doing that.
I will never understand why people want to go from reddit to a place that’s just as shitty as reddit in all the same ways
The cold truth is that to onboard people in greater numbers you need a default instance recommendation. You just do. You absolutely cannot ask potential new users (many of which will - hopefully - be casual and not so tech savvy) to sit down and undertake a multi hour research project into finding an appropriate small instance for them. You cannot reasonably expect people to look into uptime, funding and defederation lists to make an informed decision about where to register. You just need them through the door and posting and commenting and voting.
Making a new account somewhere else is super easy and painless once they’re already here. We just need to get them here.
I found it pretty easy: pick an instance of your country. Support local instances!!
I agree as I am one such case. I created an account like a year and a half ago and got so overwhelmed with it I just ignored it. Even the explainer I found was just too much. Finally a couple weeks ago I remembered it given all the Reddit is compromised stuff. I found my login info. I also happened to have had a gummy so I was in the right high mindset to just go down a rabbithole and finally figured it out. I still don’t really understand how Lemmy interacts with like Mastodon or Pixelfed etc.
It’s too bad there isn’t a way to just have one location for everyone to create an account, like a lemmy.com, and then the last step during account creationg is to select your preferred instance for the account, maybe from like a drop down list that has a small blurb about the rules and expectations for that instance and a list of top 10 hosted communities, and maybe even a random choice option, and then you can go back to that main area to switch your instance later if need be.
Yeah you left out the hours of research to figure out what each instance is actually about and the years of abuse and power trips that have occured under different leadership, and also the dropdown includes defederated instances.
I started on blahaj, but they are NOT an inclusive and healthy LGBTQ community so I had to move but I didn’t want to go through all the effort again so I joined .world
a generic instance is what most users need to actually make the move, if they like it or understand it better later they might choose a different insurance later, if not who cares they can still interact with others.
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post. vpn is basic internet hygiene. do not go to lemmy.world if you care about that, our you will not be able to post.
you can join any federated instance instead.
one day later edit: i took my information from this post of a lemmy.world admin: https://lemmy.world/comment/12079632
I was made aware that users are able to post on lemmy.world while using a vpn. maybe their stance has changed?
aside from that, try to avoid joining the biggest instance and join smaller, federated instances instead. this reduces load and avoids centralization.
vpn is basic internet hygiene
according to vpn companies
9 out 10 VPN companies recommend hiding your IP address.
What do you want them to do? Select an instance at random, to spread them out?
Yeah, this is just stupid. I wish a significant amount of redditors would go to lemmy.world
I mean, what do you want to tell them to join? Something called “mander.xyz”? “sopuli.xyz”? Maybe something like sh.itjust.works, jlai.lu or yall.theatl.social? I’d feel awkward enough telling them to join “Lemmy” then linking to lemm.ee. Sending them to lemmy.ml would just be cruel.
I picked lemmy.world because it sounded the least sus
As many others did, and many others will in the future.
Referring new users to a poorly named instance is a generally bad idea. Many of our instances do look very similar to the nonsense links you’re taught you’re not supposed to not click on if you get them in an email or see them on the internet in the wild.
It is the most popular and easy to understand, I’ve never been harassed by the instance admins or mods like in other communities. (.ml .blahaj .ee)
.world is the defalt instance and I can’t find a better one to take its place
“Lemmy is great, you can choose whatever instance you want! But fuck you if you choose that one.”
No, don’t recommend that one. I don’t care if you’re on LW, its just not a great idea to recommend it to newcomers.
Well when .ee defederates from the tankies they can join the adult community
The main benefit to being on .ee is federating with nearly everyone.
i said it before but lemmy hates new users
I don’t hate new users. Just, please recommend another instance to newcomers.
